E90Post
 


Extreme Power House
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio > unimpressed with 5 series loaner



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-11-2012, 10:37 PM   #1
Matts435coupe
Major
United_States
27
Rep
1,189
Posts

 
Drives: 2014 BMW 435i Coupe Msport 6MT
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida

iTrader: (1)

unimpressed with 5 series loaner

Brought my car in for an airbag light and was pleasantly surprised to get a brand new 535 for a loaner. I have had my new 335i a week, just a simple sensor for the airbag and didn't have time to wait, so I got a loaner. What I love about the BMW compared to my last car a G37, is how tight and precise the steering feels in the car. When I drove the new 535 I felt like I was back in a Japanese car. The wheel was very lose and had to much play, it just didn't have the feel I have come to expect from a BMW. Is it possible newer generation cars have lost that feel or the higher up the models go the loser they get. Anybody else experience this?
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 10:52 PM   #2
Tom K.
Major General
Tom K.'s Avatar
United_States
55
Rep
5,415
Posts

 
Drives: '07 328iT, '13 Boxster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (0)

Doesn't the 5 now have electronically boosted steering? Although the electric steering in my '03 Z4 didn't have any play - but it didn't provide much road feel, either.

Tom
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 10:54 PM   #3
dreamingat30fps
Captain
United_States
15
Rep
904
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 335i (RIP) - 2006 Z4MR
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Florida

iTrader: (1)

I felt the same way when I test drove one back when they first came out. Bloated piggy, very nice and comfortable though.
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 10:59 PM   #4
nogard13
Second Lieutenant
nogard13's Avatar
5
Rep
220
Posts

 
Drives: 2006 325i
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Durham

iTrader: (0)

Does your car have the Sports Package? Did the 535i? That might account for the different dynamics (though the 5 series is geared more towards the "cruisin'" crowd).
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 11:23 PM   #5
kdbryce
I have to return some video tapes
kdbryce's Avatar
United_States
62
Rep
4,318
Posts

 
Drives: e92 335i 6mt
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Albany, NY

iTrader: (0)

could have been the "variable sport steering" option (i think that's what it's called)

many reviews have bashed it for taking away from the classic bmw feel
__________________
13 Black Sapphire e92 335i - 10 Le Mans Blue e92 335i - 09 Monaco Blue e92 328i xdrive - 07 Sparkling Graphite e92 328xi
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 11:41 PM   #6
tomtom11
Captain
14
Rep
612
Posts

 
Drives: 335i
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Earth

iTrader: (1)

i heard even the newer 335i's have lost that tight feeling as well. BMW PLEASE DONT EVER ELECTRONIC BOOSTED STEERING CRAP
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 12:20 AM   #7
shata
Captain
shata's Avatar
United_States
13
Rep
824
Posts

 
Drives: 06 330i 6MT-ZPP/ZSP/ZCW
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: VB, VA

iTrader: (0)

5, 7 series just arnt driver cars thats why your never going to have the feel of 1 series or 3 series in those. Specially with a 7 - I test drove 745i before I got my E90 and ya you can put finger on wheel and turn its 360 degrees its pretty much no road feel whats so ever.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 12:59 AM   #8
raj55
Second Lieutenant
Sweden
6
Rep
277
Posts

 
Drives: E91 2009, 320i
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SWEDEN

iTrader: (0)

Having owned the 3 series and having recently driven the new 5 series, I agree fully with Shata, the 5 series is not the driver's car like the 3 series. The tight control and quick response steering and the ride feed back is missing in the 5 series. It feels more like a mushy ride Volvo. Not my car just now, may be in 10 years time because by then I would have retired and would be looking for a more mushy ride like the Volvo. But then I will probably buy the Volvo then, it will be cheaper than the 5 series. Actually the Volvo V60 is not bad at all. It tries to imitate the 3 series handling quality.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 01:37 AM   #9
742
Major
11
Rep
1,190
Posts

 
Drives: E90 325i; F10 528i; 2002tii
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: PA

iTrader: (0)

My wife and I own an E90. We also own a 2002tii, which both of us are looking forward to driving this weekend.

On the other hand we just bought a new car for daily local driving, and it is a GTI. Our next car will be in the "touring" class for long distance driving as we hit retirement, and given our history it should be a 5 series. But it probably will not be.

BMW is not what it used to be. In a sense this a fair enough, they can run the company as they see fit and seek the customers that they want. After all BWM in 1960 was not the same company/customer base as BMW in 1980. Nevertheless this is a sad transition. But since we like to drive, don't like to "make an impression" and buy our cars outright, it is clear that we do not fit the BMW business model.

But to have a 520d.....in manual.....
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 08:28 AM   #10
AddictedToBavarian
My other ride is a Bianchi Infinito
AddictedToBavarian's Avatar
Portugal
38
Rep
2,762
Posts

 
Drives: Miss my E92 but love my E46 M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Jersey

iTrader: (2)

I also got a 2011 528 loaner. Is it nice? Definitely. But BLAH as hell.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 01:01 PM   #11
r3dbimmer89
The Coolest
r3dbimmer89's Avatar
United_States
9
Rep
831
Posts

 
Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matts335coupe View Post
Brought my car in for an airbag light and was pleasantly surprised to get a brand new 535 for a loaner. I have had my new 335i a week, just a simple sensor for the airbag and didn't have time to wait, so I got a loaner. What I love about the BMW compared to my last car a G37, is how tight and precise the steering feels in the car. When I drove the new 535 I felt like I was back in a Japanese car. The wheel was very lose and had to much play, it just didn't have the feel I have come to expect from a BMW. Is it possible newer generation cars have lost that feel or the higher up the models go the loser they get. Anybody else experience this?
Every 5 series up to the F10 all had great steering feel. It was always the sporty alternative in its class but things changed with the F10 so now you have a comfortable cruiser that is more a scale down version of the 7 rather than an upscale version of the 3.
__________________
Past:12 E92 335i/ 08 E90 335i/02 E46 325i
Present:15 F80 ///M3
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 01:57 PM   #12
Yay-Z
Shifting to Top Gear
Yay-Z's Avatar
United_States
6
Rep
481
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3/F30 328i
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Houston, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matts335coupe View Post
Brought my car in for an airbag light and was pleasantly surprised to get a brand new 535 for a loaner. I have had my new 335i a week, just a simple sensor for the airbag and didn't have time to wait, so I got a loaner. What I love about the BMW compared to my last car a G37, is how tight and precise the steering feels in the car. When I drove the new 535 I felt like I was back in a Japanese car. The wheel was very lose and had to much play, it just didn't have the feel I have come to expect from a BMW. Is it possible newer generation cars have lost that feel or the higher up the models go the loser they get. Anybody else experience this?
Felt the same way when I test drove the new 5, pretty sad
__________________
2011 E90 M3 DCT
2013 F30 328i SAT
2011 E92 335i 6MT (Gone, will be missed)
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 08:00 PM   #13
gatoman39
Major
gatoman39's Avatar
United_States
46
Rep
1,347
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 E92 335 M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I OWN both cars, and have had a lot of seat time with both. You can't even compare the two. First of all the 335i out of the box is a drivers car. When you add sport package, or Msport, or 19 inch rims or go for the 335is or M3 it takes an already capable drivers car and turns it into a track tool.
The 5 series starts as a luxury car. It's much more refined, larger,civilized, and mature. In order to make it more of a drivers car you have to order a host of expensive options, then it becomes much more suited to aggressive driving. It's still not a spots car though, it's too big and you can't defy the laws of physics. Even the M5 with all it's power will still be much harder to maneuver on the track than an M3.

It's been said before but it bears repeating the 3 is a sports car with some luxury while the 5 is a luxury car with some sport. This was done on purpose, and considering how big the 3 and 5 have become, the 1 is the new 3 and the 3 is the new 5.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 09:45 PM   #14
mo2566
Second Lieutenant
mo2566's Avatar
United_States
3
Rep
220
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 335i e90
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SRQ, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatoman39 View Post
I OWN both cars, and have had a lot of seat time with both.
How is the roominess in the 5 compared to the 3? It didnt look that much different on paper, but that wouldn't make sense to not have the 5 noticeably bigger.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2012, 11:00 PM   #15
Soliditude
First Lieutenant
Soliditude's Avatar
United_States
7
Rep
341
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 335i xDrive M-sport
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matts335coupe View Post
Brought my car in for an airbag light and was pleasantly surprised to get a brand new 535 for a loaner. I have had my new 335i a week, just a simple sensor for the airbag and didn't have time to wait, so I got a loaner. What I love about the BMW compared to my last car a G37, is how tight and precise the steering feels in the car. When I drove the new 535 I felt like I was back in a Japanese car. The wheel was very lose and had to much play, it just didn't have the feel I have come to expect from a BMW. Is it possible newer generation cars have lost that feel or the higher up the models go the loser they get. Anybody else experience this?

What you felt was the electric-powered steering instead of the hydraulic-powered that we're used to. The new 3-series has the same thing. If steering feel is that vital to you, you will have the same experience with even the new 335i's, unfortunately.
__________________
'11 6AT 335i xDrive ///M BMW PPK Stage 1
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 12:11 AM   #16
superjay
Resident Car Audio Guru
superjay's Avatar
United_States
5
Rep
597
Posts

 
Drives: 2007 E93 335i
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Coral Springs, FL

iTrader: (0)

the F10 535 is rather pedestrian when compared to 5 of the past...and especially your 3. They softened them quite a bit because the 5 is typically driven by mommies. Men tend to reach a bit more for the 550, which is considerably stiffer, harder, faster, and much more "Ultimate driving machine" than the lesser 5. Every review written has placed the 5 dead last against it's other German stablemates.
__________________
Jay Kent
Sales and Tech at Nav-TV
954-323-1010x103
jay@navtv.com
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 12:15 AM   #17
galahad05
Colonel
galahad05's Avatar
27
Rep
2,555
Posts

 
Drives: '07 335i e90
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Island NY

iTrader: (0)

The 535 used to be the preferred tool of choice for hard driving (more so than the 550). Better weight, great punch.
Now, from what I'm hearing.....
__________________
Always laugh when you can. It is cheap medicine
--Lord Byron
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 08:16 AM   #18
jeffro535
Second Lieutenant
jeffro535's Avatar
United_States
2
Rep
244
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 E92 335i, 1997 E36 328is
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: DFW, Texas

iTrader: (0)

I had a e34 535 when I lived in Germany a few years ago. Did some fairly mild mods to it and it was a great car, but not a 3. It was fast, not quick, supremely competent on the 'bahn but it made you work for it on the twisties. Steering feel was definetly lighter and less communicative than a 3 so that coupled with the Pilot Sport's sudden breakaway charicterisitc caught me off guard a couple of times. I think the comparison is still valid today. Depends on what you want. The 335 i have now is much more suited to my current situation and much more at home on back roads. Having said that, with the CAI and a Remus exhaust, I miss the howl that M30 had at full power!
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 09:31 AM   #19
gatoman39
Major
gatoman39's Avatar
United_States
46
Rep
1,347
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 E92 335 M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by superjay View Post
the F10 535 is rather pedestrian when compared to 5 of the past...and especially your 3. They softened them quite a bit because the 5 is typically driven by mommies. Men tend to reach a bit more for the 550, which is considerably stiffer, harder, faster, and much more "Ultimate driving machine" than the lesser 5. Every review written has placed the 5 dead last against it's other German stablemates.
Not true. The 550i although as fast as a E39 M5 is even heavier (4365 lbs) and that weight penalty comes through in twisty roads. As far as every review pitting the 5 dead last, i'm not sure what magazines or articles you're reading but that is a total exaggeration. In fact it's the EClass that's usually bringing up the rear

Quote:
Originally Posted by galahad05 View Post
The 535 used to be the preferred tool of choice for hard driving (more so than the 550). Better weight, great punch.
Now, from what I'm hearing.....
Still the case. The 550i is very fast in a straight line, but a RWD version is 4365 lbs and the AWD version is 4519 lbs.
2012 BMW 535i First Test
The Middle Ground: Learning To Say Goldilocks In Bavarian
__________________

Last edited by gatoman39; 05-13-2012 at 09:48 AM.
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 10:14 AM   #20
Matts435coupe
Major
United_States
27
Rep
1,189
Posts

 
Drives: 2014 BMW 435i Coupe Msport 6MT
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mo2566 View Post
How is the roominess in the 5 compared to the 3? It didnt look that much different on paper, but that wouldn't make sense to not have the 5 noticeably bigger.
The backseat in my loaner does not look that much bigger then the new 3 series. The 5 is obviously bigger, but the cabin room doesn't appear to be much bigger.
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 12:43 PM   #21
mo2566
Second Lieutenant
mo2566's Avatar
United_States
3
Rep
220
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 335i e90
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SRQ, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matts335coupe View Post
The backseat in my loaner does not look that much bigger then the new 3 series. The 5 is obviously bigger, but the cabin room doesn't appear to be much bigger.
thanks, the #'s and pictures don't show much difference but I haven't sat in both yet.
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 01:00 PM   #22
dr335is
Brigadier General
54
Rep
4,975
Posts

 
Drives: Some Mazda junk...
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Dallas, TX

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matts335coupe View Post
The backseat in my loaner does not look that much bigger then the new 3 series. The 5 is obviously bigger, but the cabin room doesn't appear to be much bigger.
I am not sure what are you talking about?!
The FRONT and the back are definitely bigger and more comfortable.
The cabin is wider and definitely totally different than the 3 (especially the e9x)...
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:36 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST