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      07-06-2007, 12:56 PM   #45
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hahah ur fckin education background doesnt mean shit to me. i asked you to explain in detail what you meant earlier, not tell me how well you can crunch numbers. how about instead of being ignorant, you can actually spend a couple minutes of your free time watching something that can possibly expand your knowledge. you dont HAVE to watch this video, just like you dont HAVE to post in this thread. I just ask if you ARE going to post, watch first.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert Einstein

Think about that the next time you decide to be a mindless sheep.
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indeed, owned.
Thanks, can't say I didn't warn him.

I studied this stuff for almost 3 years in school and tax research is part of my job, accountants don't just count beans . I'll put that up against some crappy video on YouTube anyday.
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      07-07-2007, 12:36 PM   #47
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Don't quote me on this, but I heard in some state you don't have to pay income tax, maybe Nevada.
i think florida has no state income tax, but u still have to pay the federal tax..
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This talk of "defying" the government and not paying tax...reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Peter decides to annex his house as an independent country, Petoria, and goes to war with the US.

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      07-07-2007, 02:41 PM   #49
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i think florida has no state income tax, but u still have to pay the federal tax..
there are a few states without State income tax -- TX, FL among others...
But they get you somwhere else (almost 3% property tax in TX...)
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I just finished watching this video and it shows that the Federal Income tax is unconstitutional. There is NO LAW that requires the average hardworking American to pay an income tax every year. There were many court cases about this and have almost all been ruled in the non-taxpayer's favor.

If youre going to comment on this, please watch the whole video first
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80303867390173

dont know exactly how to take all this but i kno a few things for certain.
1. im going to stop paying federal income tax (why give away my hard earned money)
2. the govt. is bullshit and has become our enemy
3. im not going to get a rfid chip/national id
4. some haters are going to flame me for posting this
One, I don't hate you. but what you are describing is anarchy and carziness. So stop smoking the pipe and come to reality.
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This talk of "defying" the government and not paying tax...reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Peter decides to annex his house as an independent country, Petoria, and goes to war with the US.

. That's a good one.
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      07-08-2007, 04:14 PM   #52
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That's a simplification to say the least. If you have regular employment i.e another boss, how is forming a business going to let you pay less tax?

Unless you pay yourself under the table through your own business, you will still have to pay taxes on your income. If you don't show an income, you may well have to explain why. Furthermore, your business will have to pay tax on your income. Furthermore, your business will have to pay on any profits realized by your company.

Don't get me wrong, I am a business owner of 22 years, there are definitely benefits but simply forming an LLC on the face of it, isn't going to result in you playing less taxes.

And to the OP, don't believe everything you see on the interwebs. It has been tried again and again. The dude always ends up in jail.
Thanks for the input and advice.

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"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert Einstein

Think about that the next time you decide to be a mindless sheep.
Trust me, I'm no mindless sheep. Also, don't use Einstein's quotes to make yourself seem more intelligent again. I'm positive you're not one of those "great spirits" he's talking about.

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Thanks, can't say I didn't warn him.

I studied this stuff for almost 3 years in school and tax research is part of my job, accountants don't just count beans . I'll put that up against some crappy video on YouTube anyday.
Good job Mr. tax expert Want a cookie? Even after all that education, you still haven't learned simple manners.

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Holy crap. Don't mess with a person who is in between two jobs and has all day to shoot you down..
Hahah ain't that the truth.

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This talk of "defying" the government and not paying tax...reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Peter decides to annex his house as an independent country, Petoria, and goes to war with the US.
I like that episode


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One, I don't hate you. but what you are describing is anarchy and carziness. So stop smoking the pipe and come to reality.
You are right about the anarchy comment.. I was hyped up after watching that video. But I'll smoke what I want, when I want.

Bottom line
Based on the information, I may have to reconsider my stance on this issue. Even though it seemed like I was trying to spread anarchy through the forums, I was just trying to see people's opinions about the video. After losing a close friend on 9/11 (don't need anyone's pity), I had some very strong feelings against the govt. And after watching this.. It just brought out some anger in me.

to carnage: Don't worry man, I'm still your #1 Hater
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I just finished watching 25 minutes......very interesting indeed.
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Came across this news piece today then thought of this thread... here it is: Man Dodges Taxes For 10 Years, Wins In Federal District Court
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Came across this news piece today then thought of this thread... here it is: Man Dodges Taxes For 10 Years, Wins In Federal District Court
Thanks for your post Ninjaneer
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OK, I tried to watch that video even though I saw it was nearly two hours long....I lasted maybe ten minutes. Did I already know that it wasn't legal for th government to require individuals to pay personal income tax? YES. Have I thought of giving up US citizenship and living in Europe? Not really. Would I ever consider refusing to pay taxes facing more than a year in court at my own cost, which would most likely still result in jail time? HELL NO!

Sure it all sounds nice, and if you do go through with it, best of luck to you.
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I guess most of us either hide in a cave or rather run away than take back our freedom.
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Attorney Tom Cryer explains income tax and how he won against the IRS




Former IRS agent explains her experience with the income tax laws


Presidential candidate and Congressman Ron Paul says he will abolish the IRS and the Income Tax when elected. Think about it.
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      09-02-2007, 07:11 PM   #59
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true story, the OP is right. but if this is exposed, total anarchy will be bestowed upon america (like its not happening already?). but fucking aye! they are right!
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Don't really have the time to read up on stuff..
I trade stocks in my spare time, and I was wondering if it falls under Income Tax.
Also if you win a large sum of money while gambling, do you have to file it??

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This talk of "defying" the government and not paying tax...reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Peter decides to annex his house as an independent country, Petoria, and goes to war with the US.
Whenever I started reading this, I was thinking of how Texas can legally annex itself from the U.S.
But then the government would get all pissy, and figure out some way to get back at us.
We don't really need the government to protect us, because most of us have arms anyway.
And who in their right mind would attack Texas of all places??

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Don't quote me on this, but I heard in some state you don't have to pay income tax, maybe Nevada.
lol..t.hat's Florida. But you still have to pay federal. State tax is almost nothing compared to federal. btw, property tax pays for the income tax missed.
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Don't really have the time to read up on stuff..
I trade stocks in my spare time, and I was wondering if it falls under Income Tax.
Also if you win a large sum of money while gambling, do you have to file it??
Yes and yes.

If you trade stocks and the stocks are not held in a tax-exempt investment vehicle like an 401K, IRA etc, the brokerage house will forward documentation to the IRS. You are expected to show this income on your 1040. This is for straight profits AND dividends that you received while owning the stocks.

If you 'forget' to show the income, they will come down on you fast. Tax returns are now reviewed totally by data comparison. If they have a W2, 1099 or whatever showing income and your 1040 doesn't show it, it will send up a red flag.

Note that you can offset profits with losses. Each year, I sell some bum stocks in December and write off the losses.

As for gambling, I think if it is over $600 (approx) the casino will ask for your SS # and file paperwork with the IRS. This is for a single win. Obviously if you play blackjack and slowly accrue over $600 in profit, the casino will not know.
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I think the casino rule varies, but it's closer to $2000 around me. I've cashed out $1400 to $1600 in chips with not even a second glance from the cashier. A buddy that's heavy in blackjack keeps his chip redemptions under $2000, has had to file for a couple $5k nights.
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Like the quote goes, two things are certain in life, death and taxes. This is a dumb post, you're not going to get away without paying income tax. If you need some youtube video to educate you on tax law you have issues. The personal attacks are a little immature as well.

Check out the 16th amendment to the constitution if you need some clarification.

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As much as i hate paying taxes, this country is the best place to live...


Why don't you guys go to a third world country where they don't pay taxes as much as we do, and see how their way of life is?

God bless america!
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I just finished watching this video and it shows that the Federal Income tax is unconstitutional. There is NO LAW that requires the average hardworking American to pay an income tax every year. There were many court cases about this and have almost all been ruled in the non-taxpayer's favor.

If youre going to comment on this, please watch the whole video first
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80303867390173

dont know exactly how to take all this but i kno a few things for certain.
1. im going to stop paying federal income tax (why give away my hard earned money)
2. the govt. is bullshit and has become our enemy
3. im not going to get a rfid chip/national id
4. some haters are going to flame me for posting this
Thank you very much for this post. I probably wont stop paying taxes just b/c like the video says THEY have the guns, however they did say how we can "try" to stop this and i will sign up asap. Once again thank you.
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