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      07-04-2007, 04:40 AM   #67
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hey SERGE that shit you smokin is good ....


yeah right with less $1.5k EVOS are in the 11`s probably in the 1/8 of the mile track
I like your sarcasm but you are making yourself look like a fool with such comments. Look at my sig. That was accomplished with $1,500 worth of mods. No nitrous or race gas.

I took this video from a fellow EvoM member. He spent less than $1k in mods and run 12 flat with some race gas.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/24/1205853/Warr.wmv

And it gets better with Evo IXs which respond even better to mods. Do I need to send you the links to make you a believer?
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Yeah, that's not what I saw when I went to the track with my PROcede 335i. I ran 13.097sec., while the modded EVO ran 13.7xx sec. Not saying it can't be done, but it obviously depends on the mods, the track, and weather conditions.
Just because a modded Evo run 13.7 doesn't mean the rest of Evos run same numbers. Don't you agree?
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Nice, 335i is for us
I would consider forum members to be Average Joe 95%. Then there are the 2.5% at the both ends...
Very few of us beats a pro who "has not had enough practice with the car in the track".
Agreed!!
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I like your sarcasm but you are making yourself look like a fool with such comments. Look at my sig. That was accomplished with $1,500 worth of mods. No nitrous or race gas.

I took this video from a fellow EvoM member. He spent less than $1k in mods and run 12 flat with some race gas.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/24/1205853/Warr.wmv

And it gets better with Evo IXs which respond even better to mods. Do I need to send you the links to make you a believer?
My buddy has an Evo VIII with just a reflash and he is putting out about 280 WHP on race gas (not sure which dyno). With a more aggressive tune I am sure 300 is possible.

I believe your ET and trap speed, but that must have been one hell of a run. I have an S2000 with Comptech SC and 255 WHP and my buddy's Evo and the S2K run about even from 0 to whatever, and my best run in the S2K is a trap of 107.

Evos are ridiculous performance cars. They have been developed on the ralley circuit for a decade or more and are simply excellent for pure performance, tunability, and handling. The 335i does not compete simply because it was not developed for pure performance. It is a lot heavier and luxurious and makes a MUCH better DD.

Anyone who goes up against an Evo, prepare to have your clock cleaned.
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I know...... im writing about SERGE saying that with less than 1.5k he could make his EVO run 11`s . .

i seen an evo doing low 10`s but he spend 70k plus in the engine.
Boriquaguerrero,

I hope you have internet so that from now on you can make some search before you make some statements. You laughed/questioned about the capability of the Evos to break in the 11's with $1500?

Just for the record, there are hundred that have done it, I personally spent $1100 on my Evo 9 and ran 12.2 and trapped 111.95mph once. I only had:
3"TB,mail-in flash($99),MBC($75),cone($80),LICP($125) that is it!

Here is a link to demonstrate that Evos can break 11's not just with $1500 but also with $1000:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=267599

Here is another guy running 11.50@120 with less than $1500 budget:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=264445

This guy ran a 12.0@114 with about $300-$400
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=262914

and another one:
11.6@117 with less than $1500(about $1300)
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=235538

11's with about $700: (wait I minute, I thought the goal was $1500)
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=255127

and.. another one!!
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=259039
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Boriquaguerrero,

I hope you have internet so that from now on you can make some search before you make some statements. You laughed/questioned about the capability of the Evos to break in the 11's with $1500?

Just for the record, there are hundred that have done it, I personally spent $1100 on my Evo 9 and ran 12.2 and trapped 111.95mph once. I only had:
3"TB,mail-in flash($99),MBC($75),cone($80),LICP($125) that is it!

Here is a link to demonstrate that Evos can break 11's not just with $1500 but also with $1000:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=267599

Here is another guy running 11.50@120 with less than $1500 budget:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=264445

This guy ran a 12.0@114 with about $300-$400
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=262914

and another one:
11.6@117 with less than $1500(about $1300)
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=235538

11's with about $700: (wait I minute, I thought the goal was $1500)
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=255127

and.. another one!!
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=259039
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My buddy has an Evo VIII with just a reflash and he is putting out about 280 WHP on race gas (not sure which dyno). With a more aggressive tune I am sure 300 is possible.

I believe your ET and trap speed, but that must have been one hell of a run. I have an S2000 with Comptech SC and 255 WHP and my buddy's Evo and the S2K run about even from 0 to whatever, and my best run in the S2K is a trap of 107.

Evos are ridiculous performance cars. They have been developed on the ralley circuit for a decade or more and are simply excellent for pure performance, tunability, and handling. The 335i does not compete simply because it was not developed for pure performance. It is a lot heavier and luxurious and makes a MUCH better DD.

Anyone who goes up against an Evo, prepare to have your clock cleaned.
e36jakeo,

My 12.0 sec run was totally unexpected due to my low dyno numbers (300whp on a Mustang dyno, about 335/340whp on a dynojet). However I run my car 10 times that night and I got consistent low 12's @ 112-115mph:

12.08 @ 113.78
12.21 @ 113.78
12.22 @ 114.77
12.28 @ 112.75
12.29 @ 113.35
12.32 @ 114.81
12.35 @ 114.55
12.39 @ 114.82
12.43 @ 112.49
12.93 @ 110.36 (bogged down and I missed 2nd gear)

I used regular 93 pump gas and I had skinny snow tires on the car when I made all the passes (205/50 17s). Here's the time slip:
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Sorry guys i wont type more shit, unless i know what im typing about.

1 year in the desert would do that to you. lost track of everything out there
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Sorry guys i wont type more shit, unless i know what im typing about.

1 year in the desert would do that to you. lost track of everything out there
NP

I'm glad u made it back safe. I'm also a war veteran and I know how things are over there.

Cheers and enjoy your 335
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Sorry guys i wont type more shit, unless i know what im typing about.

1 year in the desert would do that to you. lost track of everything out there
We are cool bro.. We are not upset, I sometimes don't get the updates on some cars and that can happen to you(happened to you) . My and Serge came from the Evo community and that is why perhaps we are more updated on this subject(Evos).

It is all good. Be safe out there in the desert, me and Serge are also in the service. Good bless you!
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e36jakeo,

My 12.0 sec run was totally unexpected due to my low dyno numbers (300whp on a Mustang dyno, about 335/340whp on a dynojet). However I run my car 10 times that night and I got consistent low 12's @ 112-115mph:

12.08 @ 113.78
12.21 @ 113.78
12.22 @ 114.77
12.28 @ 112.75
12.29 @ 113.35
12.32 @ 114.81
12.35 @ 114.55
12.39 @ 114.82
12.43 @ 112.49
12.93 @ 110.36 (bogged down and I missed 2nd gear)

I used regular 93 pump gas and I had skinny snow tires on the car when I made all the passes (205/50 17s). Here's the time slip:
nice numbers !

BTW what car was running with u on the left?
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Boricuaguerrero,

Is a matter of a fact, if I am not mistaking the Evo has the worlds record of faster and quickest 1/4 mile on a stock production turbo car using teh stock turbo.

The record is a 10.59@127.47mph on stock turbo and all the other mods in the world but stock turbo. Not even the Supras or the Porsches or any other turbo car ever ran so fast on stock turbos with all the mods.

This year TTP engineering also trapped 129.94mph and ran a 10.9 on the stock Evo 8 MR turbo and many many other mods(stock block). Remember, I am only talking about stock factory turbo.

Check my info here:


http://www.ttp-engineering.com/

http://www.cbevo.com/

Try to find me any other car in the world that uses stock turbos and can run 10.5 and can trap 129.94mph, you wouldn't find them. Supra what?, Porsche what? The Subaru STI just barely made a 11 second pass on stock turbo, there is like one or 2 STI with stock turbos that just broke into the 11's (after 4 years)
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11's on a stock turbo?

When does the evo x come out? My girlfriend would be crushed if I picked up an evo instead of doing an ED on a 335xi in Munich!
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Some impressive trap speeds for the little Evo's

Yeah.. no doubt.. I know theat person that trapped 129.94 from years at the forum. At one point we (me and him) were compiting to get our cars in the low 12's (were both had Evo MR's).

At first I keep up with him but since he owns a shop he started to change different cams, add metahnol and start tuning very agresively and I couldn't simply compite at all, my Evo was a daily driver of you know what I mean.

I am still very very impressed with his achievements, trapping 130mph is not something you do everyday. Some people put turbokits and can't even trap near close. But it is my pleasure to facilitate you guys with some good info whenever is needed.
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i'm pretty sure my brother's stock evo viii would take down a stock 335i.....

0-60 and 1/4 mile......
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nice numbers !

BTW what car was running with u on the left?
It was a Dodge Neon SRT4 with just a "couple" of mods
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11's on a stock turbo?

When does the evo x come out? My girlfriend would be crushed if I picked up an evo instead of doing an ED on a 335xi in Munich!
The Evo X will be released by fall this year. It will be a more "refined" car than the IX (cruise control is finally available!), although it will continue to be a "hardcore" choice. After two years with my Evo I'd advise you to go with the 335Xi unless your main priority is track numbers.
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Boricuaguerrero,

Is a matter of a fact, if I am not mistaking the Evo has the worlds record of faster and quickest 1/4 mile on a stock production turbo car using teh stock turbo.

The record is a 10.59@127.47mph on stock turbo and all the other mods in the world but stock turbo. Not even the Supras or the Porsches or any other turbo car ever ran so fast on stock turbos with all the mods.

This year TTP engineering also trapped 129.94mph and ran a 10.9 on the stock Evo 8 MR turbo and many many other mods(stock block). Remember, I am only talking about stock factory turbo.

Check my info here:


http://www.ttp-engineering.com/

http://www.cbevo.com/

Try to find me any other car in the world that uses stock turbos and can run 10.5 and can trap 129.94mph, you wouldn't find them. Supra what?, Porsche what? The Subaru STI just barely made a 11 second pass on stock turbo, there is like one or 2 STI with stock turbos that just broke into the 11's (after 4 years)
There are a few Supras that have gone 10's on the stock turbos, I believe the record is 10.62. Some have also trapped in the 127-128.xx mph range. Not quite as quick/fast as the evo, but not bad for a 14 year old car.
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There are a few Supras that have gone 10's on the stock turbos, I believe the record is 10.62. Some have also trapped in the 127-128.xx mph range. Not quite as quick/fast as the evo, but not bad for a 14 year old car.

Please provide the links and the sources just like I did. Thanks!
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Please provide the links and the sources just like I did. Thanks!

You're not going to be able to see it unless you have a login to supraforums I believe, but I'll quote it for you if it makes you feel better.

Updated Top 10 1/4 mile times for Stock Twins - Auto


No Nitrous

1. 10.88 @ 122 - HotSoup

2. 11.08 @ 122 - bikiniracer - Anna C.
72 degrees - no wind
3800 stall/BL tranny/BPU/Mickey Thompson DRs

3. 11.12 @ 121.98 - Erik Doer
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4a. 11.32 @ 118 - John H.
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4b(5). 11.32 @ 118 - 1slow93turbo
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4c(6). 11.32 @ 118 - Rick S.
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7. 11.403 @ 119.23 - WayneCar
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8. 11.43 - 93hardtop
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Complete fuel system (paxton pump, big lines, rail etc)
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With Nitrous

1. 10.62 @ 127 - HotSoup

2. 10.979 @ 121.98 - Amar
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3800 PI Stall
75 shot

3. 11.27 @ 118mph - ?
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Still in seq. mode

6-Speed:

1. 10.90@128 TT_6SPD_95 - BPU/AFC/VPC/FMIC/ET STREETS/NOS

2. 11.10@125 drift_tt_23 - bpu mods exhaust,intake,afc,avc-r,trd clutch,stock maf, fmic

3. 11.23@125 Nero Deliwala

4. 11.255@120.60 TurboMatt Mods: Greddy FMIC Open mid-pipe HKS intake 100 Octane RPS clutch ET Streets Wastegate spring added

5. 11.276@128.58 Team Toyota - K&N drop in filter downpipe exhaust hks evc direct port nitrous hks fuel pump fuel dampener bypass ngk plugs 100 octane on 275-40-17 bfg drag radials on stock wheels

6. 11.30@124.8 Ex5.0 - VPC(Zero'd) RMM DP/HKS Ti Spearco FMIC Profec B 19 psi HKS SMF air filter B+M Shifter ET streets 26x10.5-16 NA rims, CCW fronts 100 octane, reset ECU, no headlight TRD single disc

7. 11.34@122.79 tripp_97tt - intake full exhaust hks evc easy hks vpc hks cam gears 94 odb1 g-force reprogrammed ecu trd stage 1 clutch stock flywheel electric fans 17" bfg drag radials

8. 11.42@123 Chris Bergemann - BPU





There are a few people not on the list, but that has at least a few 10 second cars. Only difference is that most of the stock twin supras weren't 'drag-optimized'. 16" wheels instead of 15, ET Streets instead of ET Drags, etc...

Not trying to take anything away from the EVO. Just letting you know there are some quick 'dyno queens' out there on stock turbos.
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Excellent info!! Thanks indeed.. it looks like it is a very close tie. Again, thanks for taking the time to post it.
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