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      06-30-2007, 11:29 PM   #23
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The gauge showed 0 when the engine was off. I developed my own map sensor based boost controller so I was doing a lot of testing and paying close attention. The ECU also adjusts boost targets based on IAT.
What gauge showed you a +2psi?
Boost gauges reference the atmosphere so at higher altitudes that means lower pressure. They will show zero no matter what altitude you are at. It means zero differential.
In other words most boost gauges are only accurate at sea level.

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      07-01-2007, 12:09 AM   #24
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What gauge showed you a +2psi?
Boost gauges reference the atmosphere so at higher altitudes that means lower pressure. They will show zero no matter what altitude you are at. It means zero differential.
In other words most boost gauges are only accurate at sea level.
My autometer mechanical boost gauge. Stock I'd see ~8psi @ sea level, and at 4500' DA I'd see ~10psi. If what you said was correct re: gauges then the ECU is compensating even more than I thought.
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My autometer mechanical boost gauge. Stock I'd see ~8psi @ sea level, and at 4500' DA I'd see ~10psi. If what you said was correct re: gauges then the ECU is compensating even more than I thought.
Is the ECU compensating? More or less, however it depends on what you mean about the ECU compensating. The ECU sees the MAP sensor reading a negative pressure. For example where you are ~4500' your gauge should really read ~ -2psi, your gauge still reads zero because its diaphragm is equalized. However the MAP sensor is referencing an absolute vacuum or some other calibrated pressure therefore it knows the game, and sees that drop in pressure due to the higher altitude.
When you step on the gas the ECU spools the turbos until the MAP sensor reports that 8psi is achieved, but the ECU has to go the full range from -2psi-0-------8psi. Your boost gauge always starts from zero so it shows 0---------10psi.
It spools the turbos harder but the same boost level is achieved.

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Great results!

Sorry if I missed it, do you have an auto or a manual?
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      07-01-2007, 11:44 AM   #27
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Great results!

Sorry if I missed it, do you have an auto or a manual?
It was an Auto with paddle shifters. I used the paddle shifters and the sport mode (DS) only, never used the slap shifter.

I tried a combination of launches but the car was consistent to a 1tenth of a second on basicly all different configurations(paddle shifter with DTC off, Paddle shifters with DTC on, DS with DTC off, DS with DTC on, etc, etc)
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      07-02-2007, 04:03 AM   #28
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Hi,

I am just contribuiting to the statistics. I took my 335I to the track to see what it would do. I did fantastic considering the altitude and heat. The track is located at 3100ft of elevation(Tucson SIR) and the temp was close to 100 degrees.

I did 5 identical passes of 13.63 with a few 103mph trap speeds. I also ran a few 13.8, 13.9 and a couple of low 14s though.

My BMW times compared to the Evos that I had is better. The 335I not only ran faster but also quicker when compared to the Evo 8 MR and Evo 9 when I ran them stock back in the day.

I am very impressed with the results. NHRA altitude conversion chart puts me at 13.15 sec and 107mph at sea level but I am not here to brag but just to share.

I am very happy with the car, quick and cosnistent. It is a coupe with Steptronic
Congrats Carlos!

13.63 @ 103 is fantastic considering it was SIR Tucson, one of the slowest tracks in the nation. I'd take the NHRA altitude conversion with a pinch of salt though. It was created for NA/SC cars, not turbocharged ones, and on top of that, the 335 overcompensates with extra boost at altitude. That might be the reason why it was faster than your prior stock Evos which don't compensate for higher altitudes.

Now take it to the dyno!
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Get this: Another board member at 5000+ elevation ran a 12.9 @ 107 last night in his 6MT.

Only change was PROcede. Of course he uses his manual tranny brake torquing technique that everyone makes fun of!
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Get this: Another board member at 5000+ elevation ran a 12.9 @ 107 last night in his 6MT.

Only change was PROcede. Of course he uses his manual tranny brake torquing technique that everyone makes fun of!
Who?
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I'll let him pipe up if he wants to talk.

I'll see if I can get his timeslip, otherwise I'll get his VBOX data.
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Carolos give me a ride once you get the Procede installed. I want to go to the track one more time before I leave here, but I am pressed for time, so I'll just have to wait and see.
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