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      10-30-2016, 12:07 PM   #1
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Tesla P90 vs 2011 335d Stage 1 BPC tune

Not sure if anyone has run across one of these on the highway, but I did last night and was very shocked at the outcome.

The Tesla did a fly by while I was going 65, so I punched it and passed him within 7-9 seconds on an open stretch of road after midnight in Mexico.

The kid driving the Tesla and his friends were shocked and waved...

If a stage 1 is this fast on the freeway because of the torque, I can't wait to see the stage 3 with hybrid turbos and 450whp and 670lbft of torque....
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Not sure if anyone has run across one of these on the highway, but I did last night and was very shocked at the outcome.

The Tesla did a fly by while I was going 65, so I punched it and passed him within 7-9 seconds on an open stretch of road after midnight in Mexico.

The kid driving the Tesla and his friends were shocked and waved...

If a stage 1 is this fast on the freeway because of the torque, I can't wait to see the stage 3 with hybrid turbos and 450whp and 670lbft of torque....
I took a tesla p90 also with my 335i fbo with 3 galons of e85. We raced from about 50-55mph. He jumped right away but then in a second i passed him and kept pulling from him.
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It feels so good to know my diesel works so well.
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Updating list to Maeratti Quatroporte, Charger, Challenger, new Mustang.

These things are awesome from a roll....
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Telsa's big advantage is from a standstill - big (instant) Torque and AWD = amazing launch. However they trap at like 112, so they aren't that quick from a roll.
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Guys, calm down lol. The P90 is not the Dual motor. The dual motor is AWD (P90D) , the P90 is RWD.
Also, the RWD variants are slower AND add that to the fact most Tesla's dont have "ludicrous" mode, they arnt
all THAT fast. Sorry to burst your bubble. If you guys ran up against a P90D or P100D with ludacris mode, you would get walked.

Here is a a M4 (rated 425hp, but actually closer to 450hp stock) vs a P90D. BMW Gets the jump. Keep in mind, from a dig, this would be a slaughter.



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EV loses its initial torque advantage once the car starts moving, especially direct drive EVs that don't have a gearbox. Electric motors actually generate less torque/hp as its rpm increases. Their biggest advantage is from a standstill, especially with the dual motor AWD models where our cars struggle with traction and turbo lag.

So there really isn't much to brag about winning highway "drag race" with a car that weight more than 2 tons (4800-4900lbs vs 3600lbs)...
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This wasn't meant to be bragging but more of an appreciation for a stage 1 diesel 335. My car only makes roughly 300whp and 460lbft of torque...The torque is what really helps...I can't wait to see my car at stage 3 420+whp and 600lbft of torque, that is going to be a fun daily driver at 30+mpg
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EV loses its initial torque advantage once the car starts moving, especially direct drive EVs that don't have a gearbox. Electric motors actually generate less torque/hp as its rpm increases. Their biggest advantage is from a standstill, especially with the dual motor AWD models where our cars struggle with traction and turbo lag.

So there really isn't much to brag about winning highway "drag race" with a car that weight more than 2 tons (4800-4900lbs vs 3600lbs)...
Interestingly enough, the weight is a factor that exhibits its primary negative while moving slowly. The tesla is an odd machine compared to petrol cars. Up is down and down is up
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EV loses its initial torque advantage once the car starts moving, especially direct drive EVs that don't have a gearbox. Electric motors actually generate less torque/hp as its rpm increases. Their biggest advantage is from a standstill, especially with the dual motor AWD models where our cars struggle with traction and turbo lag.

So there really isn't much to brag about winning highway "drag race" with a car that weight more than 2 tons (4800-4900lbs vs 3600lbs)...
Interestingly enough, the weight is a factor that exhibits its primary negative while moving slowly. The tesla is an odd machine compared to petrol cars. Up is down and down is up
Really depends on the drivetrain. For a modern AWD car with dual clutch transmission and launch control, extra weight is no longer that big of a deal given the car has the power to over come it. Cars like 911 Turbo (+3800lbs) and GT-R (+4000lbs) are good examples of this.
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Guys, calm down lol. The P90 is not the Dual motor. The dual motor is AWD (P90D) , the P90 is RWD.
Also, the RWD variants are slower AND add that to the fact most Tesla's dont have "ludicrous" mode, they arnt
all THAT fast. Sorry to burst your bubble. If you guys ran up against a P90D or P100D with ludacris mode, you would get walked.

Here is a a M4 (rated 425hp, but actually closer to 450hp stock) vs a P90D. BMW Gets the jump. Keep in mind, from a dig, this would be a slaughter.


I actually was surprised how good M4 kept up! It was P90D (dual motor, AWD) and yet from a roll they were almost head to head. M4 was at around 450hp like you said, but I wonder how would 335 do with let's say 550-600hp? I imagine 335 would be pulling from P90D after first 2 sec easily
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I actually was surprised how good M4 kept up! It was P90D (dual motor, AWD) and yet from a roll they were almost head to head. M4 was at around 450hp like you said, but I wonder how would 335 do with let's say 550-600hp? I imagine 335 would be pulling from P90D after first 2 sec easily
That guy knows how to make videos, but I don't think he is that great at driving...
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As a Tesla employee I can say that Ludicrous mode makes a large difference at highway speeds (having driven many with and without). So a P90D vs a P90DL is a more considerable difference than appears on the surface. Nonetheless, electric cars have a lot more of an edge under 60mph as opposed to over. If a Tesla were to have a 2nd gear it's trap speeds would be much more impressive.

Regardless, a P100DL+ runs the quarter mile in 10.72 @ 120mph (current best, I am sure we will see quicker) which is pretty impressive for an otherwise understated daily commuter.
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As a Tesla employee I can say that Ludicrous mode makes a large difference at highway speeds (having driven many with and without). So a P90D vs a P90DL is a more considerable difference than appears on the surface. Nonetheless, electric cars have a lot more of an edge under 60mph as opposed to over. If a Tesla were to have a 2nd gear it's trap speeds would be much more impressive.

Regardless, a P100DL+ runs the quarter mile in 10.72 @ 120mph (current best, I am sure we will see quicker) which is pretty impressive for an otherwise understated daily commuter.
Finally someone who understands lol
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New P100DL has hit 0-60 in 2.2 and a 10.2 1/4 mile...
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Just curious...How many 1/4 mile runs can be made on a single charge. And does the car reduce power as the battery level drops or do you get the full beans each time until it dies?
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So I was on a highway in Mexico tonight and I came across a DB9 that wanted to play from an 80 roll. Well things didn't turn out so well for me by 130, he had 2 and 1/2 cars on me. He also had a sticker that said Live 4 Now!

This is leading me to believe it is time to go stage 3 on the diesel with meth injection and get 450whp and 600lbft of torque....

Funny how you step up in power and the next level becomes mundane, then all of the sudden you want more.

Any thoughts???
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