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      06-11-2012, 04:41 PM   #1
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How do I re-point my patio?

I've done it once before and used a purpose built powder from Wicks which went hard from the moisture from the ground.

It needs redoing again so I was just wondering if this stuff designed specifically for the job is the best thing, or should I just use some ordinary concrete?

Thanks for any tips!

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I've done it once before and used a purpose built powder from Wicks which went hard from the moisture from the ground.

It needs redoing again so I was just wondering if this stuff designed specifically for the job is the best thing, or should I just use some ordinary concrete?

Thanks for any tips!

Concrete!
No.

Get some sharp sand (ask for screeding sand) and some Portland cement.

Mix it together dry in the following parts:

1 of cement
5 of sharp sand

Brush the dry mix into the joints,pushing it into the joints with an old bucket handle/or a similar tool to push it firmly into the gap,once flush with the top of the slabs,water the patio using a watering can with a fine holed rose.
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Nice one Ian, I need to do this too, can you opt for different colours?? Also, how do you get the old stuff out, or just this as a base and pack the new mix in the gaps/on top??
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Nice one Ian, I need to do this too, can you opt for different colours?? Also, how do you get the old stuff out, or just this as a base and pack the new mix in the gaps/on top??
You can use colours yes,plenty of choices.
It comes in either powder form or liquid,for this particular job I'd recommend the powdered variant as ideally you want a dry mix to brush into the joints,you do need to mix it (powder) in well.

Plenty of options here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nk...g&geo_id=32031

If the existing pointing is loose it needs to come out,a club hammer and a small chisel along these lines will suffice nicely:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/sumo-plugg...1-4-x-10/36795

Ideally you want at least a depth of 15mm for the new material,any less and it's likely to crack,and come the winter the moisture will get into the crack,then freeze,then expand and then it's fecked!
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Brilliant advice, thanks!

The purpose made stuff has just turned back to sand over the last 2 years, so I can easily get it out - but obviously I want the next attempt to last longer than 2 years!

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http://www.kingfisheruk.com/item.php?id=GPC20

Much better than mortar,use it all the time...35 years experience!
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Much better than mortar,use it all the time...35 years experience!
This looks nice and easy - perfect.
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Much better than mortar,use it all the time...35 years experience!
Good gear Script,but jeez,it's feckin expensive!

5 x 25kg Bag of Thames washed sand = 12.50ish inc vat
1 x 25kg bag of OPC (dust) = 3.50ish inc vat

So 150kg of gear for 16.00, 300Kg for 32.00 or

450Kg for 48.00 or
20Kg of Geofix for 49.80
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Good gear Script,but jeez,it's feckin expensive!

5 x 25kg Bag of Thames washed sand = 12.50ish inc vat
1 x 25kg bag of OPC (dust) = 3.50ish inc vat

So 150kg of gear for 16.00, 300Kg for 32.00 or

450Kg for 48.00 or
20Kg of Geofix for 49.80
I know what your saying but in scheme of things its cheap!

People generally fuck mortar up,too soft a mix and too strong and the whole patio is finished!

it looks way better than pointing too,lasts longer and no stains which for the diy'er is the best part!

WTF are you going to do with 450kg of mortar? build a house
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Yeah - 45/50 is cheaper than getting someone in, so I'd pay that if it's going to last for a few years.
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And also Mr Barn may be a member of The Royal Fraternity of the Terminally Cack Handed like me. Seems a good solution. I'd still fuck it up mind.
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And also Mr Barn may be a member of The Royal Fraternity of the Terminally Cack Handed like me. Seems a good solution. I'd still fuck it up mind.
Ha ha, I'm the same. I haven't got a clue, hence why I started this thread!
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WTF are you going to do with 450kg of mortar?
Pah,as an ex spread/floor layer,I'd have that used in 15mins

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Yeah - 45/50 is cheaper than getting someone in, so I'd pay that if it's going to last for a few years.
How big is your patio,two sq metres
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...as an ex spread/floor layer...
I know you like to get down and spread 'em Ian, didn't realise it was a former occupation of yours? Assumed it was just a hobby!
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I know you like to get down and spread 'em Ian, didn't realise it was a former occupation of yours? Assumed it was just a hobby!


Full 5yr apprenticeship Will.
Went to the Vauxhall School of Building (South Bank Polytechnic) back in the 1800's

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We had two Master Plaisterer tutors,one previously worked at Clark & Fenn (now owned by Skanska) and the other had previously worked for George Jackson.

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[quote=Hotcoupe;12145210]Pah,as an ex spread/floor layer,I'd have that used in 15mins

Yeah but you dont use mortar for screeding,you use screed

Using pressed bricks and "buttering" them that quantity would build a house!
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[Yeah but you dont use mortar for screeding,you use screed
I don't recall using the term mortar

The mix above is for screeding
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I don't recall using the term mortar

The mix above is for screeding
Which is no use at all for ponting paving
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Which is no use at all for ponting paving
It is for pointing though
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It is for pointing though
ha ha...games moved on mate,even the local council dont semi dry grout anymore
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