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      06-13-2012, 04:03 PM   #23
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A sad state of affairs but I'm with you. My keys aren't hidden or taken to bed with me because at the end of the day it's just a car. The other thing to keep in mind is what might happen to someone I find in the house while my wife and children are sleeping. I'm not a violent man but you know, I could do without the hassle.
When I had a 3door Cossie in my garage I parked my company van and my M5 in front of the door and left all the keys lying around on the stairs (out of sight of the window mind) but when I was out they were all hidden. I thought it was only a matter of time before it happens. Thats no way of living so it has gone for now to another garage.
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Could you help me find the extention you are talking about ?
There you go:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2608797894...84.m1497.l2649

Not sure if they ship to the US though.

Anyways, this is what you need. There are plenty for sale on both sides of the pond. There are shorter versions than the one above, though make sure to get a long length so you can route it anywhere within the car.
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There you go:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2608797894...84.m1497.l2649

Not sure if they ship to the US though.

Anyways, this is what you need. There are plenty for sale on both sides of the pond. There are shorter versions than the one above, though make sure to get a long length so you can route it anywhere within the car.


Thanks for the info !

The stock plug on the car, can you move it out of the way easy ?

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      06-14-2012, 09:37 AM   #26
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I'm sure I read somewhere that when your car is in BMW for works they are altering the OBD port so that is not +ve anymore but were not telling anyone? I can't remember where though..
Piston Heads guys are going to extremes lengthening it into the boot or trying to hide somewhere. If the thieves want your car they will just take it off you.

I leave my garage key and car keys on the stairs so if anyone breaks in they can take the keys rather then come upstairs and chin me for them.
When the car is parked outside I use the Krooklock thing.
Well, I've extended my obd port with an adaptor cable purchased off ebay and I've also placed a warning sticker on drivers-side window, it really is not that hard, plus i can easily put it back to oem when the car goes in for any work. Also have a disklok as back-up.
Can they not take the extension out and do their work?
Or have you completely in stealth mode hiding your obd extension joint as well?
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Can they not take the extension out and do their work?
Or have you completely in stealth mode hiding your obd extension joint as well?
That is what I was wondering................like were did he move the stock plug so they could not see/find it.

I could find some place to hide the extention for sure.
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      06-14-2012, 10:22 AM   #28
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I've unscrewed the factory connector from its mounting, it is on about a foot of cable, and pushed it right up behind the steering column out of sight and cable tied it in place, then plugged in the extension cable and run it to a secret location.

You would have to rip out the kick panel and pedal cover, and need to lie upside down in the footwell with a torch etc to find it, not great if you're pushed for time.....
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All this talk of 'blank keys' is wrong.

The keys have fixed unique IDs, and this doesn't change, they just program the car to 'add' the key to its accepted key list.

Just like the dealer does if you lose a key, they take any key and add it to the car, the key is never changed.

So you could have one key to work on any number of cars.
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I've unscrewed the factory connector from its mounting, it is on about a foot of cable, and pushed it right up behind the steering column out of sight and cable tied it in place, then plugged in the extension cable and run it to a secret location.

You would have to rip out the kick panel and pedal cover, and need to lie upside down in the footwell with a torch etc to find it, not great if you're pushed for time.....
This was the info I was looking for............thanks
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Is it just cars with keyless entry?

I thought it was cars with push start?
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Is this more of a UK problem then a US problem ?
Expect it to cross the pond soon I'd imagine.

Unless theres no criminals over there lol.
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Can they not take the extension out and do their work?
Or have you completely in stealth mode hiding your obd extension joint as well?
Yes the joint is no longer visible, they'd have to search for it and I doubt very much they would spend the time looking for it.
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Expect it to cross the pond soon I'd imagine.

Unless theres no criminals over there lol.
LOL.........I just have not heard of anyone over here talking about but I am sure it has been
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Heh, I'm confused over the term 'keyless entry', does it refer to the feature which allows you to open the car door without using the remote, or is it a generic term for "pressing a button on the key fob"
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Heh, I'm confused over the term 'keyless entry', does it refer to the feature which allows you to open the car door without using the remote, or is it a generic term for "pressing a button on the key fob"
Keyless entry means you only need the key fob within a couple of meters of the car for the doors to be unlocked. No need to press the button on the fob.
Like the girl on the TV that has her keys in her bag but walks up to a Fiesta I think and just opens the door.
This problem is with the cars with the push start button I believe.
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Expect it to cross the pond soon I'd imagine.

Unless theres no criminals over there lol.
LOL.........I just have not heard of anyone over here talking about but I am sure it has been
So there's a gap in the market?
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Yea I seen this option but don't fancy a sticker on my window and I'll settle for the krook lock. Can these guys read anyway?
You could always put a big bright sticker in the middle of a DISKLOK ie. THIS CAR IS PROTECTED BY MULTIPLE DEVICES INCLUDING SECURE OBD , I imagine any thief will have a good look at that before breaking in.

I called Thatcham a few weeks ago & was also told that this problem only affects vehicles fitted with keyless entry, but from the reports I've read it seems much more widespread.
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So there's a gap in the market?
There might be................but I am taking all the info you all are giving and taking steps to protect my car.

I have a brake lock that I just fixed so it will fit on the bmw foot brake lever. It was to small and had to be heated up and bent out so it will fit.

I was using it on my old honda, just another thing to slow them down if they try and take it. They might just pass by my car if the see it on there
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I just bought this 3m extension, free delivery next day, great product.

Not long enough if you want to put it in the boot or somewhere, but there's a million places to hide the plug just in the front of the car.

http://www.gendan.co.uk/product_OBD3M.html
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You could always put a big bright sticker in the middle of a DISKLOK ie. THIS CAR IS PROTECTED BY MULTIPLE DEVICES INCLUDING SECURE OBD , I imagine any thief will have a good look at that before breaking in.

I called Thatcham a few weeks ago & was also told that this problem only affects vehicles fitted with keyless entry, but from the reports I've read it seems much more widespread.
That's a good idea, rather than have something on the window.

I can't see how the the scum would be able to remove a disklok (unless they have a copy of your key) without seriously damaging the steering wheel , not suprised its
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I just bought this 3m extension, free delivery next day, great product.

Not long enough if you want to put it in the boot or somewhere, but there's a million places to hide the plug just in the front of the car.

http://www.gendan.co.uk/product_OBD3M.html
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Keyless entry means you only need the key fob within a couple of meters of the car for the doors to be unlocked. No need to press the button on the fob.
Like the girl on the TV that has her keys in her bag but walks up to a Fiesta I think and just opens the door.
This problem is with the cars with the push start button I believe.
I thought all of our cars have push button start - don't they?
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I'm with you Cyprio, there seems to be confusion in the term 'keyless entry'.

All our cars are technically 'keyless' in that you don't need a key to get in, and there is no mechanical key to start either, only electronic communication from the key. When you put your key in the slot there is no 'mechanical' lock there, its just somewhere to stick the key while the car checks its ID.

Comfort access however, (i have it) has a different key fob, which has a proper battery in it and it communicates with the car to check proximity.

But the comfort access fob still has the regular buttons to use just like a normal fob.

Lots of the stolen cars have not had comfort access, and anyway how would theives know what cars had what options?

So I think we can take it as read that any 'push to start' BMW can be stolen in this way.
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