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      05-30-2012, 09:59 PM   #1
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Vehicle damage... Fuming!!!

Cruising along on the Merritt Parkway I come up to a sign that reads BUMP... Everyone is driving at normal speeds and so I didn't bother to slow down either... My car dips as if my shocks are non existent and I hear a loud thump... I pull over and do a visual inspection, everything looked ok... I start driving again and the car pulls to the right... Go to BMW for an alignment but they say my right front tie rod is seized so they can't complete the alignment.

Should I try and take this up with the department of transportation?

Cost to fix at dealer - $605

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      05-30-2012, 10:05 PM   #2
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You'll have a better chance winning Powerball than getting this settled with the DOT.
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      05-30-2012, 10:18 PM   #3
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Pay the dealer. You could hire a lawyer and prove the case for you, but it will cost more than $650. You could do it yourself and try to prove your case, but they could argue that the have done their due diligence by placing the warning sign that you ignored.

I don't think it is worth your time to argue the case.

It really sucks having JDA damage.

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I was only cruising at around 60 mph...

Do you think a tie rod and alignment should cost that much?

It's not fair that the decision makers over at the DOT can hire contractors that do mediocre/subpar work for less (so that they can pocket the difference), get away with it.
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Everyone is driving at normal speeds and so I didn't bother to slow down either...
I feel your pain but just pay it, it's your fault for disregarding the sign in the first place. I NEVER trust what other cars are doing over dips/bumps, our cars are low from the factory as it is.

In my old 200 GTI VR6 I ignored a dip sign that other cars ere driving over like it was nothing, my car bottomed out, put a hole in the oil pan and sucked some gravel up to the top and and grenades the motor which in turn thrashed the tranny.

35k worth of repairs and 2 months without my car, why I'm always super careful now.
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Pay the dealer. You could hire a lawyer and prove the case for you, but it will cost more than $650. You could do it yourself and try to prove your case, but they could argue that the have done their due diligence by placing the warning sign that you ignored.

I don't think it is worth your time to argue the case.

It really sucks having JDA damage.
No warning sign, just BUMP... No reduce speed, or work ahead..
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Cruising along on the Merritt Parkway I come up to a sign that reads BUMP...
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No warning sign, just BUMP... No reduce speed, or work ahead..
Which is it?

If there is a sign that says "BUMP"...that IS the warning...not an invitation. You should take the necessary steps about the bump.
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When you see a sign that says "bump", that's telling you to slow down.
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Well you can't really come to a full stop (possibly the only way to avoid what happened) on the parkway, unless traffic is slowing down and there are signs to reduce speed... Otherwise that could be dangerous..
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When you see a sign that says "bump", that's telling you to slow down.
The BUMP sign was placed exactly where the bump is... No warning before... On the highway (where traffic is cruising at high speeds) just after a curve... That's just wrong.
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No warning sign, just BUMP... No reduce speed, or work ahead..
in New York.. flying by a sign like that and then fighting with the NY DOT/DOF about damage would just be comical... don't even bother, a sign like this is your warning, they would laugh at you.

signs around here, don't give you a speed, just go over how ever fast you think your car can handle this bump... which is often rather slow.. not ridiculing you, i guess you don't have these over by where you live, pay for the repair, live and learn, don't make the mistake again

a sign along a route in Brooklyn I frequently drive
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bump threw off your alignment, that happens, slow down....

the tie rod issue may be legit or bullshit. either way it is most likely unrelated to the bump.

if it bent the tie rod, then yea the bump did damage, but a bump can't seize up a nut on a tie rod, thats crazy talk. something else seized it up like road salt or someshit.

summary... bump creates need for alignment, prior seized nut on tie rod makes alignment a bitch to do.

second possibility, dealer wanted more money and lied about a seized part.
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bump threw off your alignment, that happens, slow down....

the tie rod issue may be legit or bullshit. either way it is most likely unrelated to the bump.

if it bent the tie rod, then yea the bump did damage, but a bump can't seize up a nut on a tie rod, thats crazy talk. something else seized it up like road salt or someshit.

summary... bump creates need for alignment, prior seized nut on tie rod makes alignment a bitch to do.

second possibility, dealer wanted more money and lied about a seized part.
Thats what i was thinkg...if your out of warranty i would just go to a indy and save probably half
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Assuming the correct terminology is used, the tie rods are threaded rods which connect the steering rack to the knuckle. During an alignment they are used to set the front toe and adjust for a straight steering wheel. The tie rod end is usually threaded in and out and there is a locknut.

The "alignment" of the tie rod cannot be "knocked out". It's a threaded rod with a locknut. It is unlikely to have become longer or shorter - if it's really to blame then it's bent.

That being said, the true steering tierod is not necessarily going to take the brunt of a road bump.

Did the dealer quote that part# of the part which required replacing? That would solve ambiguity about the part.

Yes, I think $650 may be reasonable if a tie rod or control arm really needs replacing:

1/ it's a dealer
2/ in my E39 experience, the lowest cost OES/OEM online sources for these parts (depending on which one) range from $100-$250. Double or triple that for a dealer (same part)
3/ Expect an hour of labour (remember it's a dealer)
4/ An alignment at my indy shop is $120-150 depending on the car. I'm pretty sure my dealer is $200+
5/ it's a dealer
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Cruising along on the Merritt Parkway I come up to a sign that reads BUMP... Everyone is driving at normal speeds and so I didn't bother to slow down either... My car dips as if my shocks are non existent and I hear a loud thump... I pull over and do a visual inspection, everything looked ok... I start driving again and the car pulls to the right... Go to BMW for an alignment but they say my right front tie rod is seized so they can't complete the alignment.
Should I try and take this up with the department of transportation?
Cost to fix at dealer - $605
Please advise.
You ignored the sign that said BUMP and you want to blame DOT? GLWT
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But everyone else went fast, I should be able to also.

I really do not see the issue here. They put a sign out, you ignored it. Welcome to life where there are consequences when warnings are ignored. I know it sucks, but suck it up, pay to repair bill and learn from the mistake, don't blame DOT.
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I feel your pain but just pay it, it's your fault for disregarding the sign in the first place. I NEVER trust what other cars are doing over dips/bumps, our cars are low from the factory as it is.

In my old 200 GTI VR6 I ignored a dip sign that other cars ere driving over like it was nothing, my car bottomed out, put a hole in the oil pan and sucked some gravel up to the top and and grenades the motor which in turn thrashed the tranny.

35k worth of repairs and 2 months without my car, why I'm always super careful now.
35k repairs on a GTI? LOL!!! This is a joke right? Or in Iraqi money?
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Nope Full Motor and trans swap on a VR6, 35k U.S. It was almost as much as the car cost! Glad I only had to pay my deductible but still...
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Over here is complete bullshit. Bridges get scraped and left like that for months.
On my way home I have to go through 4 bridges that were scraped and left with big bumps. Its been over a month and they are still like that.

I just slow from highway speeds to 40mph or less while riding the far right lane.
F that.
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fusk the Merritt Parkway. I can't think of a worse road to drive. Parts of it are pretty, but the destination always pissed me off (I'd fly in to JFK to go get my kids from my ex-wife...she was a cvnt)
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Nope Full Motor and trans swap on a VR6, 35k U.S. It was almost as much as the car cost! Glad I only had to pay my deductible but still...
How did your insurance not total it?!
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bump threw off your alignment, that happens, slow down....

the tie rod issue may be legit or bullshit. either way it is most likely unrelated to the bump.

if it bent the tie rod, then yea the bump did damage, but a bump can't seize up a nut on a tie rod, thats crazy talk. something else seized it up like road salt or someshit.

summary... bump creates need for alignment, prior seized nut on tie rod makes alignment a bitch to do.

second possibility, dealer wanted more money and lied about a seized part.

Agreed. Seized parts don't come from impacts, but from road contaminants. The bump may have caused the alignment issue, but i find it hard to see how it caused a tie rod locknut to seize.

DOT might pay for an alignment, but that's it.
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