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      06-06-2015, 08:08 PM   #1
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Thumbs up VF Enters the Fray

So now that I've compiled all my info, the following is true:

New VF SC Kit
INCLUDES Higher Capacity Bosch brand Injectors
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not getting my hopes up until i see your thread that you have it

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I totally agree. I'll buy the best engineered kit. And I promise a write up on here. I ALWAYS consider all options

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so wait whats the HP to the wheels, like 300? meh..
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They "claim" "a bit more" than the ESS VT1+. So yeah, around that mark.
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Wow we went from everybody running away from FI for the n52 platform to having 2 reputable companies invest in research and development for the n52...thank you all!!!
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VF tuning in the past hasn't been the best. Would stick with ESS if I was going FI.
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Rhombus also gave me the heads up. I'm just concerned mainly about AFR with headers.
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UPDATE: Emailed Steve@VF today and heard they are considering intercooling for the E9x platform only. If only ESS had intercooled... I understand that centrifugal superchargers are efficient enough to run them without, even so I would want IATs closer to ambient so that the engine's longevity is preserved.
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UPDATE: Emailed Steve@VF today and heard they are considering intercooling for the E9x platform only. If only ESS had intercooled... I understand that centrifugal superchargers are efficient enough to run them without, even so I would want IATs closer to ambient so that the engine's longevity is preserved.
they better make up their damn minds if they want it out by sep!!
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Yeah I know haha. The only reason I'm concerned about the ESS kit is IAT. I wonder if they can make a small batch of intercooled upgrade packages.
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What were the ESS charge IATs?
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Why can't we, as N52 owners just be happy with our NA motors and understand and respect the fact it was not engineered, built or made to handle any boost?

This just reminds me of trying to turn a ho into a house wife. The DNA is just not there. Call me old and grumpy, but I prefer realistic.
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CobraMarty I made a spreadsheet calculating IATs at different boost levels. At 7 psi it is 78˚ above ambient, not terrible, but not great. mmmnot I understand what you're saying believe me. I contemplated keeping NA a long time. However you could say any engine that did not come factory with FI is not meant for boost. The fact of the matter is, the N52 is much stronger and resilient than its given credit for. If I went FI, it would be for the enjoyment of a project, not trying to make it something it's not.
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I made a spreadsheet calculating IATs at different boost levels. At 7 psi it is 78˚ above ambient, not terrible, but not great. mmmnot I understand what you're saying believe me. I contemplated keeping NA a long time. However you could say any engine that did not come factory with FI is not meant for boost. The fact of the matter is, the N52 is much stronger and resilient than its given credit for. If I went FI, it would be for the enjoyment of a project, not trying to make it something it's not.
Fair points. No disagreeing there - a different twist as a project to have fun vs. trying to be a 1/4 mile superstar - respect there. Just per my research the metal composition is way off, thus competing with the N54/5 is out of the question.

I guess at the end of the day it's a question of how much value you put in your money. I've had countless people say "You could have bought an M with the money you put in the 328" but that wouldn't feel right. It's not custom to me.

That said, I guess if money is not a major concern and you want the biggest bang, it makes sense. But at the price tag (not that it's expensive per se), I just can't justify the finances:reward ratio.

Shrug. I guess we can see what happens. If there ends up being a car that holds 300WHP as a DD for a period of time without compromise - I may sing a different song. It's just that thread of the 300HP failure is what makes me nervous and a bit paranoid.
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Fair points. No disagreeing there - a different twist as a project to have fun vs. trying to be a 1/4 mile superstar - respect there. Just per my research the metal composition is way off, thus competing with the N54/5 is out of the question.

I guess at the end of the day it's a question of how much value you put in your money. I've had countless people say "You could have bought an M with the money you put in the 328" but that wouldn't feel right. It's not custom to me.

That said, I guess if money is not a major concern and you want the biggest bang, it makes sense. But at the price tag (not that it's expensive per se), I just can't justify the finances:reward ratio.

Shrug. I guess we can see what happens. If there ends up being a car that holds 300WHP as a DD for a period of time without compromise - I may sing a different song. It's just that thread of the 300HP failure is what makes me nervous and a bit paranoid.
That's why I've held off so long to buy the kit. I'm also not about having the fastest 3 series. I would however like to see if with new injectors and an intercooler, if VF creates a more reliable and more bang for your buck kit. I'm still deciding what I should do haha
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That's why I've held off so long to buy the kit. I'm also not about having the fastest 3 series. I would however like to see if with new injectors and an intercooler, if VF creates a more reliable and more bang for your buck kit. I'm still deciding what I should do haha
300WHP is such a perfect and square number.
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If VF-Engineering is listening, answer our prayers!
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Why can't we, as N52 owners just be happy with our NA motors and understand and respect the fact it was not engineered, built or made to handle any boost?

This just reminds me of trying to turn a ho into a house wife. The DNA is just not there. Call me old and grumpy, but I prefer realistic.
Yup.

More people need to accept that with this car with have a really nice tractor engine.
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Yup.

More people need to accept that with this car with have a really nice tractor engine.
Just want to say I LOVE my engine. I'm not one of those, "couldn't afford a 335i and want to make as much horsepower as possible" people. I just enjoy projects and modifying, and tracking. I test drove an e39M5 and 335xi and almost bought the M5. but the feel of the 328i reminded me of driving older BMWs I had the chance to drive some time ago, I bought the car because it FELT like a BMW.
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Just want to say I LOVE my engine. I'm not one of those, "couldn't afford a 335i and want to make as much horsepower as possible" people. I just enjoy projects and modifying, and tracking. I test drove an e39M5 and 335xi and almost bought the M5. but the feel of the 328i reminded me of driving older BMWs I had the chance to drive some time ago, I bought the car because it FELT like a BMW.
The only issue with the E39 is that it feels heavy. Which makes sense as it is ~4000lbs.
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The only issue with the E39 is that it feels heavy. Which makes sense as it is ~4000lbs.
Off topic, but have you ever dynoed your car? Curious what you would make based on your signature of mods.
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