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      07-13-2012, 10:23 AM   #45
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OP, are you out of your mind? The only sensible reason for ditching a 2011 anything for a 2003 M3 is because you can't any longer afford the 2011 car. (Shit happens and I can understand that.) Additionally, I would dissuade you from considering any pre-2006 E46. Those cars had issues with cracking of the body frame around the rear axle. (Check Wikipedia for details.)

That said, if you just want the M3, then buy it, but keep your e92 as well. Are you leasing your e92? Looks like you get a new car every 3 years, so that's why I ask.

The one way time leasing becomes cheaper than buying cars is when one buys a car that one likes and keeps it while leasing a second car. You drive the second car, and whenever the time comes that you don't want/need to lease any more, You resume regularly driving the car you own. This works best if you buy a car that will become a "classic," but that right now, is just considered old. (unless you just buy something new now and let it grow old)
There are other reasons you aren't considering. This has nothing to do with the fact that I can't afford my 335, or else I wouldn't be driving it. I am fed up with all the technology in my car and how it is affecting the driving experience. What was wrong with n/a cars? My throttle response is shit and you would feel the same as me if your car was as numb as mine, trust me. I thought I might want to get a car that is more simple, and offers a more pure driving experience. I am going to keep the 335 because it's the smart thing to do right now, but down the road I will definitely have a E46 M3 in my collection.
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      07-13-2012, 10:33 AM   #46
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^^I agree with OP that our cars have way too much technology crammed into it. I mean why do we need software updates? What happened to the time when people just bought cars the way they were supposed to come from the factory and not need software updates? Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love my 335i and the monstrous torque it delivers but I wish it could be a slightly simpler machine.

OP keep us updated on your throttle response issue. Im very curious since Ive never really heard about this issue before.
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      07-13-2012, 10:54 AM   #47
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If you don't think the throttle issue can be fixed, why not trade for another 335? or even find a e92 M3? going all the way down to a 2003 doesn't seem smart unless you are just a die hard fan of the e46

if you already have a case opened in Germany, I would just be patient and see what happens. you have plenty of time to decide what to do with the car so don't over-react
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      07-13-2012, 10:57 AM   #48
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^^I agree with OP that our cars have way too much technology crammed into it. I mean why do we need software updates? What happened to the time when people just bought cars the way they were supposed to come from the factory and not need software updates? Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love my 335i and the monstrous torque it delivers but I wish it could be a slightly simpler machine.

OP keep us updated on your throttle response issue. Im very curious since Ive never really heard about this issue before.
While at school in NC, an FSE and I looked at the car for about 4 hours trying everything. He plugged his laptop in, adjusted everything from throttle dead zone to idle speed, but to no avail. Then, as the dealer decided the only remedy was to replace the throttle pedal, they gave me a 335i loaner. When i got in the car, what do you know, the throttle response was great. So, the FSE and I plugged his laptop into that car, and it had earlier software. The problem is that the latest software modified some parameter, and it's truly fucked. Doing a JB4 or something of the like will not help, it is deep-rooted and the only way for it to be fixed would be BMW issuing an update themselves.
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      07-13-2012, 11:00 AM   #49
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While at school in NC, an FSE and I looked at the car for about 4 hours trying everything. He plugged his laptop in, adjusted everything from throttle dead zone to idle speed, but to no avail. Then, as the dealer decided the only remedy was to replace the throttle pedal, they gave me a 335i loaner. When i got in the car, what do you know, the throttle response was great. So, the FSE and I plugged his laptop into that car, and it had earlier software. The problem is that the latest software modified some parameter, and it's truly fucked. Doing a JB4 or something of the like will not help, it is deep-rooted and the only way for it to be fixed would be BMW issuing an update themselves.
You cant tell them to flash you back to the old software?
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      07-13-2012, 06:27 PM   #50
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I've had an 03 E46 M3 before my current 09 335xi... and the cost of maintenance for the M3 was up there... not expensive enough to be a deal breaker, but enough to be an inconvenience at times. Granted I've only had the 335 for a week now but I definitely love it more than the M3. It seems faster, its updated body is so much more aesthetically pleasing, and the turbos and exaust just turn heads! Sure I loved the M3 trading in your newer 335 for an e46 M3 is something I, personally, would not do.

But if you don't mind the costs and the downgrade the go for it. It really is a downgrade in many ways, if not all.
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      07-14-2012, 01:35 AM   #51
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To put things into prospective... I own both. I prefer my E46 M3 over 335i 6spd. Why? The E46 chassis is timeless, sure it looks dated to some, but its a true enthusiasts car. N/A 3.2Litre 6 is the best engine BMW ever made IMO - it has paved the way for the current N54's N55's and upcoming 2014+ M3.... Don't get me wrong, boost is fun, but with the E46 M3/S54 motor - The throttle response is exactly what you're looking for, handling is spot on, and I actually prefer the stock suspension in the E46 M3 over Stock Sport suspension in the 335i. Just feels more agile, nimble, and you can throw it into any corner and it will stick and carry through perfectly, where as you can feel the 335i fight a bit... Its really hard to explain.

that being said, I've had other E9x's and even more E46's in the stable... and I love the technology associated with the E9x's but simplicity and ergonomics with the E46 just feel more right to me. IMO, E46 is a better build.

Look for a 2006 E46 M3... hopefully this is a 2003.5 M3...

Summery? In an ideal world, own both...


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      07-14-2012, 01:57 AM   #52
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A friend of mine just picked up a '04 E46 M3 LSB/BLK & SMG. Its a second car for him. It rides extremely harsh in my opinion. I drove it and it's quite fun, no where near the torque of my 335d+JBD
I definitely want one to add to my collection.
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      07-14-2012, 12:06 PM   #53
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I own 11' E91 6MT and 06' E46 M3. So not a 335 owner, but can compare on the level technology, comfort etc.

Bottom line, there is something special about the E46 M that goes beyond words and the E9x does not have it. End of story. E9x's are comfier, newer, better nav, oh well, I actually prefer the old school interiors. Don't really care about the newer technology. When I drive my M, I do not want to stop. Maintenence is not bad if you can wrench a little yourself. Exhaust hub/vanos bolt paranoia is hugely over blown. Get both if you can, or buy the M, then sell the 335 on your own.

335 is a fun car, M3 is just on a different level IMO.
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      07-14-2012, 12:20 PM   #54
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I would obviously get cash on top. I wouldn't want an smg, a 6spd is what I have been looking for. I havent been able to find one with this low of mileage anywhere that is priced as reasonably as this one is. And the PE makes the burble even more ridiculous it turns from burble into straight popping, my car sounds like flak fire on overrun, it even lets off a big backfire sometimes. here is a video i took at low speeds.

wow.. something is not right with that...
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To put things into prospective... I own both. I prefer my E46 M3 over 335i 6spd. Why? The E46 chassis is timeless, sure it looks dated to some, but its a true enthusiasts car. N/A 3.2Litre 6 is the best engine BMW ever made IMO - it has paved the way for the current N54's N55's and upcoming 2014+ M3.... Don't get me wrong, boost is fun, but with the E46 M3/S54 motor - The throttle response is exactly what you're looking for, handling is spot on, and I actually prefer the stock suspension in the E46 M3 over Stock Sport suspension in the 335i. Just feels more agile, nimble, and you can throw it into any corner and it will stick and carry through perfectly, where as you can feel the 335i fight a bit... Its really hard to explain.

that being said, I've had other E9x's and even more E46's in the stable... and I love the technology associated with the E9x's but simplicity and ergonomics with the E46 just feel more right to me. IMO, E46 is a better build.

Look for a 2006 E46 M3... hopefully this is a 2003.5 M3...

Summery? In an ideal world, own both...


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get the 2011 fixed. that is just not right. BMW has to figure it out. Dont give up and go back.,
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