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      07-23-2012, 05:53 PM   #1
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what are symptoms of a bad water pump?

So last night i was in a garage, and i noticed a LOUD fan noise. I dont think i have noticed this before, but the temps here right now are close 100F...but back to the story, so i turned off the a/c, and the noise went away. Is this normal? or should i expect the water pump to give out soon?

*EDIT*: i am going on a 2000+ mile trip in a couple of weeks, is there anything i should check/do before i head out? anything to keep an eye out on?

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      07-23-2012, 06:18 PM   #2
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So last night i was in a garage, and i noticed a LOUD fan noise. I dont think i have noticed this before, but the temps here right now are close 100F...but back to the story, so i turned off the a/c, and the noise went away. Is this normal? or should i expect the water pump to give out soon?
The "loud fan noise" is normal with the AC on...
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My water pump just went out. Car overheated and went into limp mode. Then it worked fine for the night (guess it kicked back in for a while) and the next day shut off after just a mile of driving. My mechanic was able to isolate and test the pump with his computer and show me that for now it's intermittent and works for only a minute before it dies, but it's failing fast. Make sure your engine/water temp isn't getting too high if you have that gauge. The fan is bound to be a bit louder with the AC on though.
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Only symptom my water pump gave before it went out was the red thermostat warning light about the same time it died.
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Only symptom my water pump gave before it went out was the red thermostat warning light about the same time it died.
Same here.

However they will trigger shadow codes when they are in the "failing" stage of their life.
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However they will trigger shadow codes when they are in the "failing" stage of their life.
Can these shadow codes be read by a code reader, or are they something that can only be seen by the dealer?
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Can these shadow codes be read by a code reader, or are they something that can only be seen by the dealer?
Generic code readers cant read shadow codes.

You would need a bavarian technic tool or BMW diagnostics tools.
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Generic code readers cant read shadow codes.

You would need a bavarian technic tool or BMW diagnostics tools.
How about AccessPort? Thanks btw.
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Same here.

However they will trigger shadow codes when they are in the "failing" stage of their life.

Not always, I was betting on getting a code before the pump's impending death so I can schedule the replacement. I got nothing, it went from no codes/symptoms to yellow warning to red temp warning within a minute. Game over.
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^^^^ Same went for me.
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I don't know if my car threw any codes but on 3 occasions in 1 weeks time the fan went into kill mode and I guess lucky for me it was stuck in the open position and my oil temps plummeted. I replaced the water pump and therm and the problem has been resolved
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i am going on a 2000+ mile trip in a couple of weeks, is there anything i should check/do before i head out? anything to keep an eye out on?
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Not always, I was betting on getting a code before the pump's impending death so I can schedule the replacement. I got nothing, it went from no codes/symptoms to yellow warning to red temp warning within a minute. Game over.
That's why they are called shadow codes. They will pop up in the dme
But they don't trigger an error on dash or cell. They often will trigger and even disappear after a short while like it never happened. I'm assuming this is to account for normal sensor glitches.

Only way to see them is to get lucky and catch them or what usually happens is the shadow code will trigger 3 times and it will actually show a cel.
In your case the part just failed all together creating a major error event
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