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      10-19-2014, 07:23 AM   #1
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Reporting in at 265,000

So I was going to report in at 250,000 miles, but I was too busy back in May to write something up. If you remember, I first reported hitting the 200K mile milestone back in January 2013. For reference the thread is:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=gentlemen

Yesterday I finally had time for quality time in the garage with the E90, which I'm at 265,500 miles (well 264,914 - but who's counting...). I changed the engine oil, trans oil, diff oil, and power steering fluid (ashamed to say well past the 100,000 mile mark for the drivetrain fluids). Did a thorough inspection (ran the drivetrain while on the lift). Last week I had the car aligned at BMW of Sterling and I think it's finally been aligned correctly (more on that in a minute) and got new tires last Saturday. Service and Maintenance since 200,000 boils down to this:

At 195K I basically did the 200,000 mile service - plugs, engine air filter, oil change, clean and swapped VANOS solenoids. That was oil change No. 12.
Since that service date I've done:
- oil changes 13 through 18 @:
--- 212,455
--- 221,639
--- 232,350
--- 243,139
--- 253,342
--- 264,914

- 215,280: cabin airfilter replacement #4
- 236,580: replaced all the coolant hoses (incl. heater hoses). Did not replace the radiator.
- 225,007: replaced the oil sensor unit (more on this in a moment)
- 248,895: replaced right front wheel bearing (it was really a bad tire )
- 249,734: replaced driveshaft center bearing and guibo (flex joint isolator). I was chasing a bad driveline vibration (more on that too).
- 249,734: clutch hydraulics flush.
- 250,953: Brake flush (oh, how a Motive Power bleeder helps!)
- 260,272: clean and swapped VANOS solenoids
- 263,914: Trans oil, diff oil, power steering oil

Problem areas. As you'd expect, a 200,000+ mile car has some issues:

Tires. At 182,000 I replaced the suspension with BMW OE sport suspension components and M3 thrust arms (Tischer had the kit on sale for $150 - I already had a sport suspension so they were just replacement parts for me). Naturally I got an alignment, at an indy European car shop (my mistake). Note this was my first alignment ever in 182,000 miles. Up until that point I was averaging about 35,000 on a set of tires (rotations every 5K or so). After the alignment the Pirellis, which had 17K on them at the time were eaten up in another 9,000 miles. I got a set of Yoko ADVAN ENVigors, which lasted barely 11,000 miles (I got 40,000 miles out of a set of Yoks Avid W4s). The shop totally effed up the alignment. Of course they denied it and blamed the tires. So I got a set of Continental Extreme DSW's and had the car aligned at the tire shop (with their "BMW alignment expert" - LOL). The Conti's lasted 29,000 miles (they are 50,000 mile tires). On to a set of Yokohama ADVAN ENVigors (again) at the same tire shop (Curry's Automotive - what a joke they are). They checked the alignment and confirmed it was in spec (keep in mind this was just 9 months later). Well at the beginning of this October 2014, the Yoks were trash on the right side (couldn't cross-rotate this tread pattern). So now I went to BMW of Sterling and got the chassis in alignment and a new set of Conti DSW's (they are great in the snow and rain). The misalignment set the tires to be thumpy, which caused me to think I had a bad front wheel bearing...

Oil. So here is the issue, BMW programs the oil life monitor (the CBS OCI calculator) to go defunct past 186,000 miles (I've posted a thread on this http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926864 ). So the car now tells me that the oil service is past due every time the engine is started. BMW supposedly has a fix that removes the notification, but it doesn't work. It's supposed to be a software change, but all it does is not notify you when you shut off the engine. It's annoying as hell, and trains you to ignore the chime at engine startup, which may let you miss something important (like a low fuel warning - don't ask). BMW says to just start changing the oil on a set interval of 7,500 miles - that tells you something... But the problem I have with the issue is I think the programming change affects the behavior of the e-dipstick. My engine immediately after oil life monitor function going away has drastically increased oil consumption. The rate of change of the e-dipstick measuring notification has completely changed. I get it, my engine is 265,000 miles old, had long OCIs, and a weeping pan gasket and rear seal, but it still runs great, gets the same fuel mileage, and has not other signs of excessive oil consumption. I've tried for a year to get BMW to address this (they have a PUMA case on it), but they could give a rat's ass.

Other issues. So in Feb 2014, on a very cold day (6 deg. F), my driveline showed a very bad vibration at shift RPMs of 5,000 and higher. The vibration shook the car and most notably the shift lever. I tried to chase it down thinking it was the driveshaft center bearing, but at the time, BMW was backed up in parts deliveries and it took until almost April to get the parts. Buy the time April rolled around the vibration had almost gone. I swapped out the center bearing, trans mounts, and guibo. I've never figured out what it was. The drivetrain is still a bit grainy now. I thought at one point it was the baffles in the muffler had broken lose. Maybe its a bad engine mount. I looked at both yesterday and they look good, with no cracks. . And the clutch throwout bearing seems to be rattling pretty good now too. I'm still on the original clutch. Maybe the vibration was the throwout bearing.

I have a slightly lumpy idle too. Back in August one day, I had four attempts of engine start where it ran rough and died. It finally fired up and ran fine. I scanned the car a few weeks later and found a cam position timing code. My concern is the eccentric cam sensor is on its way out. When I was in the BMW dealer for the alignment, I paid for 1-hour of tech time for a review of the car. I asked to have the idle looked at and the oil consumption. The Tech's response was: idle due to coils; and oil could be the oil separator system. Seems to me coils would be throwing an SES light. The oil separator seems to be if you touch it, it will crumble and you need to replace it and all the hoses going to it.

And then there is always the starter to worry about. No issue with mine but you never know.

I'm looking into retiring it from the daily drive and getting an ATS as a replacement. I want to keep the E90 as my last in-line 6 Bimmer (I wish I had kept my E30 ). I'll drive it a day or two a week.

Anyway, I thought I'd update about the E90. So at the 200,000 thread I gave some operating stats. To date:

Total Maintenance: $16,761
Fuel cost: $32,724
Vehicle Cost (w/ loan): $39,554
Total operating cost IDT: $89,039
Estimated DIY labor: $10,400 (savings)


Apologies for the long read.

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      10-19-2014, 08:47 AM   #2
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Loving the update on the good ole E90. Sounds well and is kept well.. Of all this time reading your threads, I never knew she was a 6 speed.
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      10-19-2014, 08:51 AM   #3
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      10-19-2014, 09:04 AM   #4
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Very impressive , I hope to keep my car for as long as you have

@Efthreeoh-Any tips for maintaining the longevity for a 335i?

Bought the car at 30000km mark (somewhere around there-currently has around 39500km)

So far I've changed the rear brakes (Sep. 2014)
Changed the oil around 6k (I guess the OCI could extend a bit longer?)
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      10-19-2014, 09:06 AM   #5
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Thanks for posting.

My E90 is approaching 100K miles and I plan to keep it a long time. So your post is very helpful.
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      10-19-2014, 09:14 AM   #6
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      10-19-2014, 09:34 AM   #7
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Proof that just basic maintenance goes a long way! Good job, OP. Here's for another 200,000 more. Nothing you're describing about the car seems abnormal for that many miles.

As a numbers guy, I appreciate the crap out of this thread!

I'm going to see how long I can keep the E92. I'm very curious to see how long the N55 can last.
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I Always try to tune into your threads and posts. Very informative on all fronts. I envy you attention to the slightest details and meticulous records. I have 92k on my xi and hope to have the same longevity you've had. I wish bmw would make a mechanical dipstick an option at the very least, I wish you luck on finally getting the software issue resolved.
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Loving the update on the good ole E90. Sounds well and is kept well.. Of all this time reading your threads, I never knew she was a 6 speed.
I've never seen a manual transmission suffer a failure due to normal and high spirited driving. I've seen failures of manual transmissions due to abuse. We can question BMW's suggested manual transmission maintenance schedule, but it seems to work. I'm at 265,000 with 3 different loads of oil:

- (1) Original factory fill
- (2) Change at 90,000
- (3) Change at 160,00

And now 115,000 for the 4th load.

My target mileage for this car was 250,000 and I hit that with ease. I still love driving this car, but after 160 miles a day, I'd like to change to something new and a bit more fresh (hey, sue me - ). If I get an ATS, I'll take the E90 off the road and start into some major surgery this Winter: new clutch, fix the pan gasket, rear seal, front seal (while I'm at it).
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Proof that just basic maintenance goes a long way! Good job, OP. Here's for another 200,000 more. Nothing you're describing about the car seems abnormal for that many miles.

As a numbers guy, I appreciate the crap out of this thread!

I'm going to see how long I can keep the E92. I'm very curious to see how long the N55 can last.
Oh it's far worse. I've recorded every refueling stop. It's a sickness I blame on my Brother... Fun to keep the Excel skills up with. Good luck with the N55. I'd probably not go with BMW's OCI with a turbo however.
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Great post as always, Efthreeoh!! Much like you I wish I had also kept my E30, '87 325is, 5spd..

Now, we need a similar post for the N54 crowd..
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Oh it's far worse. I've recorded every refueling stop. It's a sickness I blame on my Brother... Fun to keep the Excel skills up with.
Oh don't worry, I completely understand. I like doing graphs and things so much that I decided to do it for a living 40 hours a week

The amount of useful information out there you can grab from just recording numbers is amazingly useful!
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I've never seen a manual transmission suffer a failure due to normal and high spirited driving. I've seen failures of manual transmissions due to abuse. We can question BMW's suggested manual transmission maintenance schedule, but it seems to work. I'm at 265,000 with 3 different loads of oil:

- (1) Original factory fill
- (2) Change at 90,000
- (3) Change at 160,00

And now 115,000 for the 4th load.

My target mileage for this car was 250,000 and I hit that with ease. I still love driving this car, but after 160 miles a day, I'd like to change to something new and a bit more fresh (hey, sue me - ). If I get an ATS, I'll take the E90 off the road and start into some major surgery this Winter: new clutch, fix the pan gasket, rear seal, front seal (while I'm at it).
Hahaha I couldn't sue you for that at all. You like it! Get it! and here's to another 250k as well. Feel free to invite me to help with the winter surgery, I'll personally drive down to provide an extra set of hands and learn some stuff. ..

This does begs me to ask if a similar N52 with a auto would last this many miles. I'm at 103k with hesitations and thrust all over. Prepaying for all fluids to be changed soon too, so I'll wait to see improvements (if any) from some tlc.
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Efthreeoh:

I don't see any major failures, correct? If so, that's great for 1/4 million miles.

Has the car ever left you stranded on the side of the road?
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Any clutch shudder (when in "N" with the clutch disengaged)?

Think you should keep this bad-boy as your daily to 300K M

How much oil are you actually consuming v leaking?

Looking back, would you have changed the oil more often or used different oil?
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You should drive it a bit more and aim for a 300
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Also, very odd that the OCI crapped out at 186K miles (300,000 KM). This is odd especially if you consider the number of M5X, N3X, N2X Bimmers on EBAY with 250K+ miles w/ fully-functional OCI units.
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How much is your car worth at that mileage and those problems.

Also with the broken oil sensor is it that rare? There must be other people have the same problem or does everyone junk their car around 200k
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Efthreeoh:

I don't see any major failures, correct? If so, that's great for 1/4 million miles.

Has the car ever left you stranded on the side of the road?
In the 200K thread I discussed the major fails:

82K AC compressor seized. I had hit a deer at 12,000 miles and I think the body repair shop left the AC system open too long, which caused the AC pump to eventually die. I had it repaired at BMW of Sterling. 180K later it's still working good. (Hope I didn't just jinx myself

Water pump went at 150,000. It did leave me stranded.
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Also, very odd that the OCI crapped out at 186K miles (300,000 KM). This is odd especially if you consider the number of M5X, N3X, N2X Bimmers on EBAY with 250K+ miles w/ fully-functional OCI units.
It's not odd, BMW programmed it that way on purpose. They should fix it and not leave the owner (26 years with BMW BTW) with an annoying notification every time the car is started.
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How much is your car worth at that mileage and those problems.

Also with the broken oil sensor is it that rare? There must be other people have the same problem or does everyone junk their car around 200k
It's not rare. It programmed on purpose to happen. The sensor is not broken, the ECU is programmed to ignore the oil quality data that comes from it. 3s24U (I think that's his name) from Texas has the same problem.

KBB says $5,500. $3,800 trade. I doubt I'd get near either. People are scared to keep a BMW past 100,000 (LOL), try 265,000.

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It's not odd, BMW programmed it that way on purpose. They should fix it and not leave the owner (26 years with BMW BTW) with an annoying notification every time the car is started.
Didn't they tell you maybe its time for a new car or some crap?
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