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      07-29-2012, 02:02 PM   #23
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Ya, it definitely appears he is getting you at the shifts. It also seems you're taking yours to redline where you may be losing some ground instead of short shifting at 6-6.5k rpms.

Good race either way.
Totally agree, I shift at about 6,200
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      07-29-2012, 02:06 PM   #24
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Was your buddy on the G4 or G5 board? Me and my buddy are the same as you guys....FBO but he has a MT and I have a AT & we where pretty much even when we both had the G4 board, I got the G5 board and I pull on him easily by 1- 1 1/2 cars. Awesome video by the way!!
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This is for the reasons you have already listed (holding boost through shifts and the ability to launch easier from a dead stop.)

The autos still put down less power though, when compared to 6mt cars. From a roll into triple digit speeds, if shifted quick enough, the 6mt has better gearing for top end
SOOOO many fanbois & their tunes

The 6MT has better gearing for high-speeds & will have slightly lower drivetrain loss (maybe good for 10 HP/10 TQ). From a low-speed roll (like 40 mph) the AT has better gearing (setup for better acceleration) & will cancel out the drivetrain loss.

After 75 MPH the MT is going to shine, but until then the AT is going to be faster thru the gears & get you up to speed quicker. The COBB OTS Maps are INCREDIBLY conservative, especially since people are seeing basically 50 HP/50 TQ gains with ProTune/Custom Maps.
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Nice runs!! Don't forget he still has map 7 as well.. . I have a friend that is 6 mt FBO with Cobb s2+ and I was running Jb4 with DP, DCI and e85 6at. I had to go to map 2 to make the race somewhat even. We do need to do some more runs so get some better comparisons.
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Was your buddy on the G4 or G5 board?
My car is the old g4 board with may or june firmware. 18ohms.

laidblack335i and i ran before when we were on 93 octane pumpgas and he was on stage 2+ fmic aggressive. This more recent run after he was protuned was much closer.
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Hehe, many excuses here.
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Hehe, many excuses here.
Lol, all the COBB fans...
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Good race.
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Hehe, many excuses here.
Lol, all the COBB fans...
Lol, if this was really about comparing tunes I don't think it's fair to compared at vs mt. If the Cobb car was auto and won you can bet all the burger fanboys would be bitching too.
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      07-29-2012, 04:13 PM   #32
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      07-29-2012, 05:01 PM   #33
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not necessarily. Its just that autos do not have to lift and stays in boost between shifts.
This is a little off topic, but if someone with a 6MT never let off the gas when shifting (powershifted) wouldn't the car basically act the same way as an auto by staying in boost between shifts?
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      07-29-2012, 05:03 PM   #34
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This is a little off topic, but if someone with a 6MT never let off the gas when shifting (powershifted) wouldn't the car basically act the same way as an auto by staying in boost between shifts?
The DME would probably either:
a)close the throttle plate on it's own in response to an overboost condition
b)flatline/pull timing
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not necessarily. Its just that autos do not have to lift and stays in boost between shifts.
This is a little off topic, but if someone with a 6MT never let off the gas when shifting (powershifted) wouldn't the car basically act the same way as an auto by staying in boost between shifts?
Very hard to do without flatlining timing.
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Lol, if this was really about comparing tunes I don't think it's fair to compared at vs mt. If the Cobb car was auto and won you can bet all the burger fanboys would be bitching too.
We actually have another Cobb FBO car local that's an AT, maybe we can get him to run Stucks.
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We actually have another Cobb FBO car local that's an AT, maybe we can get him to run Stucks.
I'll be up in MD in a couple weeks, i'd love to meet some of the local guys up there and maybe have some fun
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Lol, if this was really about comparing tunes I don't think it's fair to compared at vs mt. If the Cobb car was auto and won you can bet all the burger fanboys would be bitching too.
We actually have another Cobb FBO car local that's an AT, maybe we can get him to run Stucks.
Unless he's pro tuned it's a waste of time. Your best chance is to re-run him again from a 60 roll and shift around 62-6500 rpm. Roll all your windows up, ac off, tires properly inflated etc. - basically roll racing 101.
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Unless he's pro tuned it's a waste of time.
He is protuned by the same person.

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I'll be up in MD in a couple weeks, i'd love to meet some of the local guys up there and maybe have some fun
Sounds good!
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The JB4 doesn't have no shift lift? I know the PROcede does.

It might have made a difference in this race if you had the ability to do so.
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The JB4 doesn't have no shift lift? I know the PROcede does.

It might have made a difference in this race if you had the ability to do so.
The 6MT car was Tuned using Cobb. JB4 car was auto.
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When i was buying my car, aaaaaall my friend kept telling me:"you HAVE to buy that car stick, its a sports car *derp*!" i told them to go fuck themselves because they dont know shit and bought an AT, and again, super happy with it. Launches are perfect, no boost loss while shifting, yada yada... But sticks are more fun to drive thats for sure.
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LOL @ this ---

So here is whats going on - Dean's car has a base file that I sent him the other day. What he is calling protuned is the file he got to get some logs and report back. Then we will update teh car and actually start tuning it. We'll refilm the race once he is actually tuned and not running a base map. I always love seeing the comments of people who talk about things they don't understand.

Dean - send the 002 logs and I'll send you something back that will require the camera to be on his car so you stay in the frame Also shift at 6300ish rpms and shift fast. If you want to meet up tomorrow night we can just belt it out and re-run him.
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