[Gamoto]

Well then who did!! How can he say this with a straight face? and how would anyone with any brains believe such a ridiculous statement!

"Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

“If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

It isn’t the struggling entrepreneurs who go to a bank and more or less sign their lives away to receive loans for the survival of their businesses – it’s Obama and his friends that help. It isn’t those that save and save and sacrifice for years in hopes of starting their own businesses – it’s Obama and the rest of Washington that do. It isn’t the people that do the manual labor during the day and all the administrative duties at night just to scrape by – it must be Obama. It isn’t those that deplete their retirement funds to chase a dream of personal success without partners or bosses – it is Obama who sacrifices. It isn’t those that don’t get to see their children every afternoon after school because they are toiling to save for their children’s college funds – it’s big government that’s doing that.

You’ve started a small business, sacrificed happiness, money, time, blood, sweat, and tears, and then you get taxed so that, according to Hot Air’s Jazz Shaw, “you can give that money back to all the other people who actually built [your] business.”

President Obama shows once again that he has no idea how a free market works. Instead of praising the hard work and sacrifices made by small business owners, he wants the government to receive praise for hiring teachers and paving roads? Blasphemous.

[cssnms]

Thank God for the gobermant!

[Gamoto]

Originally Posted by cssnms

Thank God for the gobermant!

Wow!!!! No response from the 128 lefty loons!

[jkrig]

At its core what he is saying is that if you are successful today....its because someone had a hand in it whether you know them or not, it could be the sysem that allowed you to be succesful......the advertising channels available to you....the actual roads that lead to your business.....or just someone who inspired/taught you.....someone else had a hand in it.....meh I get what he's sayin........ohh and please don't make assumptions by the above comments in my opinion, money runs this country and until things like lobbyist influence, and campagn finance laws change money will always run this country

[128vertinnoho]

Fox News this morning deceptively edited President Obama's remarks to make it seem as though he was claiming that small business owners do not deserve any credit for their own success. But Obama's actual remarks show that he attributed the success of small businesses to both the individual drive of small business owners, and to the benefit provided by influences such as great teachers, and government-created infrastructure.

Gee, what a surprise! And the teabaggers eat it right up!

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07...-commen/187146

[OldArmy]

Fox and Friends, perhaps the most inane of all infotainment shows. That said, their quick and dirty on what he said doesn't alter the direct quote. He said it and the theme throughout the entire speech reveals his true feelings. He believes that the individual is not responsible and that the "collective" is. I get it, it's very clear and not something that can be spun away because some bimbos on a morning show got excited.

[Silver E90]

Originally Posted by 128vertinnoho

Gee, what a surprise! And the teabaggers eat it right up!

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07...-commen/187146

So you just slam Republicans for watching Fox News and then you provide a link to Media Matters?!?!?!

Pot meet Kettle.

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by Silver E90

So you just slam Republicans for watching Fox News and then you provide a link to Media Matters?!?!?!

Pot meet Kettle.

Ask him what news stations he turns to for all of his fact based information. I bet Al-Jazeera is on his list.

[xbook]

Nice job with the citing there Fox n Friends. And good you right wing lot to just gobble it on down hook line and sinker. Fox speaks and you guys regurgitate, nice job.

[Gamoto]

Originally Posted by xbook

Nice job with the citing there Fox n Friends. And good you right wing lot to just gobble it on down hook line and sinker. Fox speaks and you guys regurgitate, nice job.

You know why you lefties haven't seen any clips of the actual speech? The MSM wants to protect Obama from the ridicule he deserves for his moronic statements.....check it out yourselves!

[fokus45]

Crickets. Doesn't look like Fox did a whole lot of spinning to me.

[3_runner]

I own a small business so when I first saw this I was insulted. The political banter back and forth over that statement has been intense these last few days. I think I understand what he is trying to say but failed to articulate this thoughts correctly. You'd think a lawyer would pause and contemplate before opening his mouth. That said, I know I didn't receive any help from anyone during this recession. It wasn't the government, the banks, the road builders that helped me maintain my business. It was my blood, sweat, and tears, my smarts, and my work ethic that help me through first few years and I thrived. So I may have had help starting a business but I sure as shit didn't have help maintaining it.

[AudiS5]

Listen to the the zombies in the background "yeah!" morons.

[MP0WER]

Originally Posted by 3_runner

I own a small business so when I first saw this I was insulted. The political banter back and forth over that statement has been intense these last few days. I think I understand what he is trying to say but failed to articulate this thoughts correctly. You'd think a lawyer would pause and contemplate before opening his mouth. That said, I know I didn't receive any help from anyone during this recession. It wasn't the government, the banks, the road builders that helped me maintain my business. It was my blood, sweat, and tears, my smarts, and my work ethic that help me through first few years and I thrived. So I may have had help starting a business but I sure as shit didn't have help maintaining it.

Yes. Starting a business is easy. Sticking around for a decade is the difficult part. I was fortunate to be able to purchase an already up and running business. But these last few years a common theme between small business owners seems to be never have they worked so hard for so little ever before.

[txz4]

Why anyone is trying to defend this argument is beyond me. The point he was trying to make is the point he made. He feels that those who have achieved did nothing but step on the backs of others. Furthermore he caps off the clip by pandering about teachers and then goes even further into the red attitude suggesting that the government is majorly responsible ("roads....Made the internet for businesses"-that one made me laugh)

Hes framing an argument, getting people used to the idea that success isnt attributable to anything or anyone more than the collective.




The fact that everything Obama insinuated in his statements fits so well into the soviet mindset (read the lyrics) should give you all the info you need on where he intends on steering the ship although of course, he didnt do that. Somebody else made that happen.

I hear under the "by" hes going to change it to "somebody else made that happen", on all of his books.

[MiddleAgedAl]

So, if the success of any business is due to "the collective", and the government, then I suppose the failure of any business must also be the fault of the government too then ? Logically, one part cannot be true without the other.

Fortunately for Obama, I'm sure most people can't recall any business failing over the past 3-4 years.

[solefald]

Wait... wut?

Don't conservative and religious people loooooove to claim that God himself created and/or gave you anything and everything? Wrote bible? Build bridges? Cured all sicknesses? Or had a "plan" for people that died? Isn't this a "God's country"? Wasn't it "created by God"?

So how come these very same people are now disagreeing with the notion that you, yourself, did not create your own business and someone had a hand in it? Like God, for example?

Hypocritical much??

[MiddleAgedAl]

Originally Posted by solefald

Wait... wut?

Don't conservative and religious people loooooove to claim that God himself created and/or gave you anything and everything? Wrote bible? Build bridges? Cured all sicknesses? Or had a "plan" for people that died? Isn't this a "God's country"? Wasn't it "created by God"?

So how come these very same people are now disagreeing with the notion that you, yourself, did not create your own business and someone had a hand in it? Like God, for example?

Hypocritical much??

IF Obama had claimed that God was responsible for the success of a small business owner, and the religious right of the conservative spectrum were raking him over the coals for that, then yes, there would be some hypocrisy.

Having watched the video of his speech again, I could find no references he made to God having any hand in things. Obama implied that the entity which deserves credit is the Government, not any religious deity.

Unless God and Government are synonyms in your mind, the association you are drawing between these two different things is very tenuous at best.

Interesting how the left loves to milk the stereotype of all conservatives being religious zealots.

Personally, I am a fiscal conservative myself, but anyone reading my posts in the "what do you believe" thread would have a hard time pinning a label of "bible thumper" on me. I've always thought that the ideology of personal accountability is most consistent with both fiscal conservatism and a lack of religious beliefs. One person is responsible for me, and that's me. I reap what I sow, and I am not looking for divine or government intervention to compensate for ill-considered choices.

[SWOLE]

Originally Posted by solefald

Wait... wut?

Don't conservative and religious people loooooove to claim that God himself created and/or gave you anything and everything? Wrote bible? Build bridges? Cured all sicknesses? Or had a "plan" for people that died? Isn't this a "God's country"? Wasn't it "created by God"?

So how come these very same people are now disagreeing with the notion that you, yourself, did not create your own business and someone had a hand in it? Like God, for example?

Hypocritical much??

Wait, God wrote the bible? Hate to say it, but that's actually news to me. Certainly I knew he was a proficient engineer and built many a bridge. But he wrote the bible as well? Even the Gnostic Gospels? Old and new testaments? With his own hand? I just can't fathom this.

[Gamoto]

Originally Posted by solefald

Wait... wut?

Don't conservative and religious people loooooove to claim that God himself created and/or gave you anything and everything? Wrote bible? Build bridges? Cured all sicknesses? Or had a "plan" for people that died? Isn't this a "God's country"? Wasn't it "created by God"?

So how come these very same people are now disagreeing with the notion that you, yourself, did not create your own business and someone had a hand in it? Like God, for example?

Hypocritical much??

Soledad,
The first time you posted on this forum you said you have never even voted in an election. So why do you even bother to join in a forum with those who are so politically engaged? Be it left or right your takes are for the most part just plain silly

[solefald]

Originally Posted by Gamoto

Soledad,
The first time you posted on this forum you said you have never even voted in an election. So why do you even bother to join in a forum with those who are so politically engaged? Be it left or right your takes are for the most part just plain silly

first time I posted to this forum was 2 years before you registered.
and last time i checked, a voting record was not required for posting in this forum.

[ScotchAndCigar]

Bunch of fools you all are. Gamoto is the ringmaster. "Here, let me start a thread featuring the chopped-up words of the President to make him sound like a socialist". And then all the sheep come in to go baa, baa.

In the full speech (and not the still-shortened excerpt posted in this thread), Obama is pretty far into a long campaign speech when this portion comes up. He credits the great American system we have for educating a smart business owner, and references the American infrastructure (roads, internet) as enablers necessary for a business to be successful.

He specifically refers to roads when he says "if you're a business owner, you didn't build that". He is NOT referring to the business itself; that's a result of the editing.

His point is unambiguous and simple - the government provides infrastucture for the benefit of American citizens, from roads to teachers to internet, and these benefits are not only essential to individuals, but business owners as well. "We succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." I think he's adequately sucking up to small business owners, no?