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Julian Assange - Hero or Enemy?
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08-20-2012, 05:57 PM | #45 | |
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Maybe some tunnel digging can get him out. Can anyone explain why Saddam was killed? I always wondered? They were searching for "weapons of mass destruction", but when they found out there were none, they changed reasoning to being a ruthless dictator? Bunch of troops died for nothing, there were no nukes. |
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08-20-2012, 06:09 PM | #46 |
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Condom broke is rape, they both had breakfast with him the morning after, one of the woman worked for the US gov in Cuba.
Totally not trumped up charges to extradite him and charge him for espionage or treason, neither of which he is guilty of. Right.
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08-20-2012, 06:35 PM | #47 |
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He is guilty of supreme stupidity for the brazen manner in which he exposed certain things.
It amazes me how naive some people can be, like they are a 5 year old who has no grasp of how the world really works... (for better or for worse; not saying it's always great the world is that way, but until I can stop it from being like that, I am doing myself no favors at all if I dont respect the unpleasant fact that it does work that way, and behave accordingly) Whatever they fabricate to leverage some loophole, is really no different than getting Al Capone for tax evasion or whatever they could stick to him. Frankly, if he had been free to move about as he pleased all this time instead of hiding, I'd bet the farm that he would have been involved in some "accident" or something by now.... I mean really, if you embarrass and expose entities of that magnitude without ensuring your anonymity, then if you dont expect consequences then you are not very bright at all. |
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08-20-2012, 09:51 PM | #49 |
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The 9/11 conspiracy is crazy. Do you know the amount of coordination you need to pull off a conspiracy like that without anything going wrong and nobody from the US mainland being suspicious. I mean just think about it, the law of probability is against you, something always goes wrong specially for a conspiracy as huge as 9/11.
To actually high jack huge ass Boeing planes with hundreds of people inside, place bombs in the most popular building on a city that doesn't sleep and nobody noticing, launching missiles to the pentagon and to Pull it off all at once in front of millions of people watching. I can't even imagine the odds of pulling of something like this and nothing going wrong. As far as Assange goes sure the rape did happen after the leak, but it doesn't make him innocent. Plus they make it sound like Sweden is a huge ally of the US. That and why does he want to go to Equador isn't that in South America near Columbia do you know how many US special ops currently in columbia and us forces currently in Nicaragua they could easily assasinate or kidnap him from there. He is better of in Sweden in front of the media the US would not do anything to him over there. Also I believe he asked Barack to stop the witch hunt. Should have thought about that before he put all those lives at risk. |
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08-20-2012, 10:01 PM | #50 |
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By replying to this topic, it almost guarantees a rant from me of some kind.
The guy does seem like an ass, which means I'd never refer to him as a hero (I don't know of anyone I'd refer to as a "hero"). The problem is governments in general. Concentration of power is a bad thing. Now you have governments using the money of millions of people who have no choice but to pay to support whatever their government ends up doing (because it's almost impossible to align that many people for or against something). If they want to leave the country (something I'm trying to do soon), it's a long road ahead to get permanent citizenship and fully get rid of their US citizenship. If you are a tax-paying US citizen, just change it to say "I helped kill hundreds of innocent Iraqi civilians". If you're OK with that, support the US federal government. If you're not, do something about it. These days, you can't voice your opinion against the federal government without many people calling you unamerican and anti-america. I could have sworn that was part of the point of the creation of the US. Honestly, the US federal government would hate to have the people who wrote the declaration of independence around. Lines like this would call for security monitoring of them or possibly all-expenses-paid vacations to Guantanamo Bay: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Or quotes like this: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure." These are the things the American citizens have forgot and apathetic toward. The government has long since passed the point of "of the people, by the people and for the people". It is now of the government, by the government, and for the interests of the government. It's borderline (if not already classifiable as) totalitarian and authoritarian, and progressing further into that direction. Many people blindly support it country thinking "It's what my country is asking of me, so it's the right thing to do." This is a big problem. What Assange did is a tricky thing to pass judgement on, and I don't think there's an answer. Should the US government go unchecked and do whatever they want? Should people's lives be endangered? As others have said, it probably should have been gone through and only had information revealed which was not immediately threatening people's lives. If it could have been avoided, which it could have, it should have been. This is not a hindsight problem -- unless he's an imbecile, he knew that it would put people in danger. I honestly don't care, hence why I have plans to leave the country. I probably would not have had a problem fighting in the war of independence, since it was for a just cause, against oppression, and heading in the direction of civil liberty. It sickens me that people say that you have to fight for your country and if you don't you're a coward and unpatriotic. a) Patriotism is foolishness -- logically, it implies irrationality; b) perhaps fighting for the true purpose the founding fathers of the US had would be a better thing to fight for instead of wars which make no sense other than greed and revenge (some of humanity's most pervasive and base qualities). I digress. I have no doubt the US will head into the depths before it might be reborn (perhaps not even as the US the next time around), and I don't think it's that far off (in my lifetime); this is opinion and assumption. Humans are in general very stupid and emotionally driven. This does not make a good combination for logical analysis of any situation. I've given up talking to people since it's impossible to even explain the simplest of concepts or have an open-minded debate without illogical rants and the equivalent of "it is because I say it is" arguments. I'm always open to improving my understanding, and I'm not afraid to yield that I'm wrong; I understand that even if I am highly logical, rational, and analytical, it doesn't mean that I'm without fault. My ideal country is one in which the average intelligence is much higher than the current average (i.e., leave the stupid people to destroy themselves, and only take the intelligent ones after proving themselves), run by philosophers, scientists, and logicians, not politicians, only allowing people of intelligence and good moral character in. There is no place like this, and as long as there are greedy, war-mongering, oppressive, power seeking people, I don't see it happening. /rant |
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Oh, yeah. OP, I think Assange is a douche.
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^^ So well spoken. The world has turned to crap and the people living in it don't even realize it. Can't stop a freight train with a bullet. That's the momentum of the government we're heading towards. If we never tried "liberating" people, there wouldn't be active combat troops to be put into danger to begin with. Not on this scale, at least.
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08-21-2012, 07:57 AM | #55 |
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Who said Osama did it? Proof? OH I FORGOT the government said it and it says it in all the mainstream media. Sorry i should be a sheep and believe everything i read.
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08-21-2012, 08:08 AM | #56 |
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I believe he released a video admitting to it.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/..._10-29-04.html |
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08-21-2012, 08:23 AM | #57 |
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You guys really believe everything in all these videos, most of them are known to be fabricated by the CIA.
So tell me why didnt America show the world his body? And dont tell me you believe that crap about it being unidentifiable. Even if we just had his big toe we still should the world our MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT that took 10 years, billions of dollars and many innocent lives. |
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LOL at the lunacy in this thread.
Like I said, get outside and get off the computer. The air is fresh out here. Not everything is like it is in the movies... What a bunch of whack-jobs...
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Why dont you imagine this: 9/11 happens in China and they think its us who did it, invade our country killing loads of innocent people along the way in their "War on Terror", for over 10 years. Meanwhile not having no proof of WMDs or this mysterious Osama (who the Chinese knew about before and dined with the family), and benefitting from our resources. Would you think somethings going on? Would you think somethings not fair? Of course you would. But yeah, im a "whack-job" for not being a good citizen and believing this rubbish. Im just glad im not the only "whack-job". There are loads of "whack-jobs" in America, UK and worldwide. |
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