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      03-18-2015, 01:30 PM   #1
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**New Single turbo record**

Majority of the details now updated.

First off, I owe HUGE thanks to Jake and the guys at Motiv Motorsports with all of their help with the tuning side of this and the very high quality products they offer. Also Huge thanks to Chad and Ryan Modified by KC who did the install and tuning on my car. Mike and Aaron and the guys at FFTEC for a very well made turbo kit, and last but not least Steve at Fuel-It taking care of me and my last minute change to the Stg 3+ lpfp! I wouldn't have been able to do this with my life's schedule being so busy with my rapidly growing business and my family. Anyone that knows me knows I'm extremely anal about my cars and in fact was the first time in 10 years that I have trusted someone to work on my cars other than myself. (My cars prior I did all of the assembly, fab work, tuning, etc).

This setup is fairly simple as far as mods go and can be replicated easily now that there is a growing support in this community of quality vendors such as the ones I listed above. It's a 100% stock unopened 64k mile long block. It's what I consider a bolt on car. Still has every single creature comfort as one that came from the factory minus the windshield washer reservoir. Well the reservoir is still there the full neck is removed but A/C, heat, cruise, Nav, etc, etc, is still all there and functional.

Fuel was 100% e85. To be exact it was e70 winter blend from the pumps that I blended e98 in to bring it up to ~e82. The pumps here should be switching to the summer blend e85 here in a month or so. Injector duty cycle on the port injection was 80% and I can't remember exactly what the DC was for the direct injection but it was roughly the same. I would say its safe to assume 900whp on 100% e85 with this fuel system isn't an issue.

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- FFTEC twin scroll Top Mount Precision billet dbb 6466 T4 1.0ar divided, twin Tial MVS WG's
- Motiv Motorsports PI-1000 kit
- Fuel-It "Hulk"Stg. 3+ lpfp
- Cobb AP (Controls the DME/DI)
- Haltech Platinum Sport 1000 (controls the PI and boost)
- Custom harnesses made by Chad at Modified by KC
- Clutchmasters FX850 twin disc
- VRSF 7" IC
- VRSF charge pipe
- Tial Q bov
- 4" to dual 3" exhaust

The final number was 861whp at 250-255KPA or a peak of 36psi. We were having interference on the rpm pick up for the dyno so I'll post two graphs, one over vehicle speed and the other with engine speed but the engine speed is going to be pretty erratic due to the interference on the pick-up and lost signal. Exact TQ is unknown on the 800+ pulls because of this. It's around 750-760wtq which is low because we had to ramp boost in to keep torque lower due to a "Too Much Torque" limp mode if we gave it all right away on basically anything over 775whp. Otherwise, following what it was was making for tq I would guess it would be around 800wtq and spool would have been about 300-500rpm quicker.

The car has A LOT more left in it and this number can easily be broken. My goal today was to make big power but also be able to enjoy after the dyno. I plan on pushing it again this winter until I run out of turbo or the motor lets go and then it'll be a fully forged bottom end, possibly a Motec m142 to simplify the tuning side, and try and do something with the head to make it more rev happy because it really could use another 500-1000rpm. I wouldn't be surprised if the n54 could handle 900-915whp stock. For how long though is the question. I didn't want to be the test mule for the limits of the motor right now.

Anyway, we made I think 75-80 pulls on e85 alone, half of those were well over 700whp and I think 5 pulls over 800whp (805, 813, 832, 858, 861). Pull after pull it just wanted more and never showed any signs of slowing up.


Here is the 861whp and 832whp graph over vehicle speed. We did make an 858whp pull but the boost control was unhappy bouncing all over hitting target then falling on it's face.




This is the 861whp graph with tq reading over engine speed and also showing the dyno losing signal because of the RF interference with the pick-up lead.




And then same graph over vehicle speed showing the erratic tq readings again from the reason above.





Here is the video of the 861whp pull. (excuse the mismatched wheels, I have new DPE wheels that I was waiting till after the dyno to put on)

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      03-18-2015, 01:42 PM   #2
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Wow pretty bad ass any other info behind the dyno ?
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WOW- Serious Power!
You'll need to tub it to get tires that can grip, right? LOL
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What about the tourqe's?!
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He said he demolished the previous record. Still waiting to see the final number for the new record. Congrats Josh!
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So impressive. Is this a built motor or stock internals?
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Nicely done OP. Curious if it reqd. over 40 pounds to make it happen on a 64mm.

Full dyno curve pls?
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So impressive. Is this a built motor or stock internals?
Stock engine. These are very impressive numbers and i'm sure there will be a lot of info available soon.
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At some point this damn motor has to say "no mas". I would have thought it would have been over 100WHP ago on an open deck.

Wonder how many pulls at this type of WHP it would live for. Surely we're nearing the end of the rope for stock motors? Impressive....
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At some point this damn motor has to say "no mas". I would have thought it would have been over 100WHP ago on an open deck.

Wonder how many pulls at this type of WHP it would live for. Surely we're nearing the end of the rope for stock motors? Impressive....
The fact there are two stock blocks over 800whp is a great sign for people looking to "just" make 600-700whp. This is just the beginning of an era of N54s making a LOT of power and everyone is going to benefit from it.
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Nicely done. Full graph and tq #s?
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We need a community pot to raise $3k for someone to put a stock motor in a ST car and not let that thing off the dyno until pistons become comets
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Amazing! I see Haltech in the sig? That is interesting.
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Amazing! I see Haltech in the sig? That is interesting.
More details coming about that soon.
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The fact there are two stock blocks over 800whp is a great sign for people looking to "just" make 600-700whp. This is just the beginning of an era of N54s making a LOT of power and everyone is going to benefit from it.
Totally agree. I'm feeling pretty good about my motor holding 550-600WHP long-term. Can't say I really felt that way a year or two ago.
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We need a community pot to raise $3k for someone to put a stock motor in a ST car and not let that thing off the dyno until pistons become comets
True that. Load it up in 5th @ 850WHP half a dozen times in a row and see what happens. Gotta think 'carnage', but that's what I had thought when we were stuck at 6xx and 7xx WHP.

Is there a stronger open deck 6 cyl that's been made in the last what, 10 years? I'm struggling to think of one.
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More details coming about that soon.
Full standalone? Noyce.
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Am I the only one getting tired of new products coming to this platform? The cost of modding is getting too damn high!
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Awesome, the N54 will never cease to amaze. Can't wait till we get full specs of dyno and the car with fuel/boost/tuning etc. Congrats!!
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Full standalone? Noyce.
Jake will be giving some information soon but this is not a fully stand alone solution. We can do that if need be but the costs associated with going that route are high.
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damn thats impressive numbers,would love to see some time slips soon
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Hey guys,

First off, I owe HUGE thanks to Jake and the guys at Motiv Motorsports with all of their help with the tuning side of this and the very high quality products they offer. Also Huge thanks to Chad and Ryan Modified by KC who did the install and tuning on my car. Lastly, FFTEC for a very well made turbo kit! The reason I went with them for the kit is because I'm big on seeing the turbo and had to have the turbo up top as much of a pain in the ass that is. Without them and the knowledge they shared and the quality of work they provided, I wouldn't have been able to do it with my life's schedule being so busy. Anyone that knows me knows I'm extremely anal about my cars and in fact was the first time in 10 years that I have trusted/paid someone to work on my cars other than myself. (My cars prior I did all of the assembly, fab work, tuning, etc).

I'm not putting it off on purpose I literally left right after the last pull to rush back to my business to get work done. There will be much more posted later this evening when I can get to my PC. Quick details, 100% stock unopened 64k mile long block. It's what I consider a bolt on car. Still has every single creature comfort as one that came from the factory minus the windshield washer reservoir. Well the reservoir is still there the full neck is removed. But A/C, cruise, Nav, etc, etc, is still all there and functional.

The final number was 861whp at 36psi. We were having interference on the rpm pick up for the dyno so I'll post two graphs, one over vehicle speed and the other with engine speed but the engine speed is going to be pretty erratic due to the interference on the pick-up.

The car has a lot more left in it and this number can easily be broken. My goal today was to make big power but also be able to enjoy after the dyno. I plan on pushing it again this winter until I run out of turbo or the motor lets go and then it'll be a fully forged bottom end, possibly a Motec m142 to simplify the tuning side, and try and do something with the head to make it more rev happy because it really could use another 500-1000rpm. I wouldn't be surprised if the n54 could handle 900-915whp stock. For how long though is the question. I didn't want to be the test mule for the limits of the motor right now.

Anyway more to come!
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Hey guys,

First off, I owe HUGE thanks to Jake and the guys at Motiv Motorsports with all of their help with the tuning side of this and the very high quality products they offer. Also Huge thanks to Chad and Ryan Modified by KC who did the install and tuning on my car. Lastly, FFTEC for a very well made turbo kit! The reason I went with them for the kit is because I'm big on seeing the turbo and had to have the turbo up top as much of a pain in the ass that is. Without them and the knowledge they shared and the quality of work they provided, I wouldn't have been able to do it with my life's schedule being so busy. Anyone that knows me knows I'm extremely anal about my cars and in fact was the first time in 10 years that I have trusted/paid someone to work on my cars other than myself. (My cars prior I did all of the assembly, fab work, tuning, etc).

I'm not putting it off on purpose I literally left right after the last pull to rush back to my business to get work done. There will be much more posted later this evening when I can get to my PC. Quick details, 100% stock unopened 64k mile long block. It's what I consider a bolt on car. Still has every single creature comfort as one that came from the factory minus the windshield washer reservoir. Well the reservoir is still there the full neck is removed. But A/C, cruise, Nav, etc, etc, is still all there and functional.

The final number was 861whp at 36psi. We were having interference on the rpm pick up for the dyno so I'll post two graphs, one over vehicle speed and the other with engine speed but the engine speed is going to be pretty erratic due to the interference on the pick-up.

The car has a lot more left in it and this number can easily be broken. My goal today was to make big power but also be able to enjoy after the dyno. I plan on pushing it again this winter until I run out of turbo or the motor lets go and then it'll be a fully forged bottom end, possibly a Motec m142 to simplify the tuning side, and try and do something with the head to make it more rev happy because it really could use another 500-1000rpm. I wouldn't be surprised if the n54 could handle 900-915whp stock. For how long though is the question. I didn't want to be the test mule for the limits of the motor right now.

Anyway more to come!
That's awesome man. Is this on 100% e85? on NGK 5992, what is your gap on those plugs? 36 psi on a 6466 yielding that power is great.
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