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      03-23-2014, 02:43 AM   #1
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I'm looking at getting a quaife, wavetrac or Mfactory. Just for street and drag use. 2007 manual 335i bolted diff.

It's going to cost around $5000 if I buy a complete from the US.

Any reason I can't buy a LSD only and get it fitted into my own housing in Australia?
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I'm looking at getting a quaife, wavetrac or Mfactory. Just for street and drag use. 2007 manual 335i bolted diff.

It's going to cost around $5000 if I buy a complete from the US.

Any reason I can't buy a LSD only and get it fitted into my own housing in Australia?
If your car is pre 7/07 you have a bolt up diff, so yes you can do it locally no drama's, in fact our shop can help.
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With RB turbos like you're going to be running maybe look at a M3 rear end?
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If your car is pre 7/07 you have a bolt up diff, so yes you can do it locally no drama's, in fact our shop can help.
Car is jan 07 so bolted.

Can you fit any of the three LSD's?

I'm in Darwin, i would just ship housing down
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Which LSD have you gone for? the Mfactory LSD apprently is the new kid in the block, and the pricing for one of these LSD is quite tempting.
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By Mfactory, are you guys referring to the new F series M Performance LSDs or the E90 M3 LSD?
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Discussion is about a new product recently released > http://www.teammfactory.com/helical-lsd_BMW
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heres a thread going on now with discussions about the new MFactory LSD
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=799541
I'm trying to start a list to get the 799.99 price with free shipping to US/Canada so if anyones ready for a LSD lets get this going
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By Mfactory, are you guys referring to the new F series M Performance LSDs or the E90 M3 LSD?
TeamMFactory, new vendor on bimmerpost. They specialised in LSD for Honda, but are now shifting their market into making LSDs for BMWs. Their LSD is around the $1k mark which is alot cheaper when you compare with brands like Quaife & Wavetrac.

The question is how do they compare against these brands?
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Hmm interesting!

They have a dealer in Australia also:

MFactory Australia Pty Ltd
PO Box 2125
Normanhurst, NSW 2076
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Tel: +61 434 151 720
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TeamMFactory, new vendor on bimmerpost. They specialised in LSD for Honda, but are now shifting their market into making LSDs for BMWs. Their LSD is around the $1k mark which is alot cheaper when you compare with brands like Quaife & Wavetrac.

The question is how do they compare against these brands?
Where are the diffs made? (Please dont say China!)
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Where are the diffs made? (Please dont say China!)
Just stumble across this..

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=20

So acts the same as quaife, but they claim theirs are better built, minus the "brand tax" and lifetime warranty transferable between owners..
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Just stumble across this..

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=20

So acts the same as quaife, but they claim theirs are better built, minus the "brand tax" and lifetime warranty transferable between owners..
Hmm yeah I'm just not convinced atm...

It would be interesting to find out where they are manufactured!
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Made in Taiwan.

http://www.teammfactory.com/company-profile

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I work in an industry which produces australian made/designed railway wheels.

We are under extreme pressure from new emerging Chinese companies who have state of the art european technology and machining equipment whereas we have been around for almost 100 years and have old albeit sturdy machining equipment. The Chinese kill us on price and claim to provide a product as durable as ours (metallurgical wear properties) but the stark reality is their product is nowhere near as durable which has been proven by in service trials.

On face value their product appears to be fine (close tolerance machining, painting packaging) but we kill them in durability and in service performance which is what really counts at the end of the day but society has a fixation on the lowest purchase price more so then overall long term running costs (in our application our wheels last a lot longer so you use less of them, in the case of the diff imagine if it fails you may be covered under warranty but the work to remove and install the new diff wouldn't be paid under warranty)

In a nut shell instead of saving a few bucks, personally i would go with a proven method from a proven manufacturer
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It is not "where" it is manufactured, but "who" it is manufactured by. Just because something is made in China (We are in Taiwan btw, which is VERY different from China), it does not mean the quality is bad. All of our products are designed and manufactured in-house, and I can tell you this right now, you will NOT be able to make an LSD of the same strength & quality as ours in the "Western World" without it costing you twice the price. And just because something is made in your "Western World", it doesn't mean it is superior; there are plenty of examples of complete junk made by your "superior" manufacturers.

The reason why our products are cheaper is not because we take manufacturing short cuts. If you really do work in this industry, then you should be well aware of the cost savings of making a Forged product vs a Billet product, and you should also be well aware of the superior metallurgical properties of a Forged product vs a Billet product (when like-for-like material is used). Just so you know, Quaife/Wavetrac use SAE8620 for their housings, and SAE9310 for their internal gears. We use Forged SAE4320 for our housings, and Forged SAE9310 for our internal gears. Take what you want from that.

At the end of the day though, I can't force you to change the way you think; however, please try to keep an open mind. Just because we are not yet "proven" in the BMW market, it does not mean that we are not a "proven" manufacturer. If we were not "proven", we would not be the worlds largest Honda/Acura transmission specialist, and we most certainly would not be OEM for Honda of America. Just some food for thought.

P.S Everytime we expand into a new market (which included Honda when we started), we come up against the same people, with the same attitude, as you right now. Just give it time...
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It is not "where" it is manufactured, but "who" it is manufactured by. Just because something is made in China or Taiwan, it does not mean the quality is bad. All of our products are designed and manufactured in-house, and I can tell you this right now, you will NOT be able to make an LSD of the same strength & quality as ours in the "Western World" without it costing you twice the price. And just because something is made in your "Western World", it doesn't mean it is superior; there are plenty of examples of complete junk made by your "superior" manufacturers.

At the end of the day though, I can't force you to change the way you think; however, please try to keep an open mind. Just because we are not yet "proven" in the BMW market, it does not mean that we are not a "proven" manufacturer. If we were not "proven", we would not be the worlds largest Honda/Acura transmission specialist, and we most certainly would not be OEM for Honda of America. Just some food for thought.

What are your prices? And which year models are they compatible with?
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I've been thinking of this too. I actually contacted Mfactory today which I spoke to Leonard. Very nice guy he also referred me to city performance to do the job. But I'm very skeptical now. Everyone's scaring me out LOL
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It is not "where" it is manufactured, but "who" it is manufactured by. Just because something is made in China (We are in Taiwan btw, which is VERY different from China), it does not mean the quality is bad. All of our products are designed and manufactured in-house, and I can tell you this right now, you will NOT be able to make an LSD of the same strength & quality as ours in the "Western World" without it costing you twice the price. And just because something is made in your "Western World", it doesn't mean it is superior; there are plenty of examples of complete junk made by your "superior" manufacturers.

The reason why our products are cheaper is not because we take manufacturing short cuts. If you really do work in this industry, then you should be well aware of the cost savings of making a Forged product vs a Billet product, and you should also be well aware of the superior metallurgical properties of a Forged product vs a Billet product (when like-for-like material is used). Just so you know, Quaife/Wavetrac use SAE8620 for their housings, and SAE9310 for their internal gears. We use Forged SAE4320 for our housings, and Forged SAE9310 for our internal gears. Take what you want from that.

At the end of the day though, I can't force you to change the way you think; however, please try to keep an open mind. Just because we are not yet "proven" in the BMW market, it does not mean that we are not a "proven" manufacturer. If we were not "proven", we would not be the worlds largest Honda/Acura transmission specialist, and we most certainly would not be OEM for Honda of America. Just some food for thought.

P.S Everytime we expand into a new market (which included Honda when we started), we come up against the same people, with the same attitude, as you right now. Just give it time...
You quote forge bar is superior, yet you use the same material as the big boys? I highly doubt the big boys would be using cast bar feed...

What are the mechanical property differences between your feed and their feed (BHN, tensile UTS etc?)

Yep you're always going to come across skeptics with a new emerging product, it's human nature. The smart manufacturers don't get themselves in a tit for tat mud slinging situation they listen to what their skeptics comments are and evolve.

For example when Lexus released the IS-F it wasn't as good as the Merc C63, or the bmw M3 but slowly Lexus have improved (addition of an LSD, stiffer suspension etc etc) and at the end of the day the IS-F is still a damn good product but it hasn't had 20 years of evolution like it's competitors.

I'm definately not saying just because product x is made in asia that its crap, you're correct in stating that based on area of manufacture doesn't mean the quality is bad.

At the end of the day I'm not rubbishing your product or company, it's my personal opinion that I would buy a product from a Co that has a proven reputation in the BMW application for quite some time and I'm willing to pay extra for that privilege. If I was in your shoes I would most likely take the same approach and have the manufacturing base in asia to keep costs down to lower the purchase price for consumers as purchase price/dollars is generally perceived as being most important for the majority of car modifiers.

Perhaps you could take some photos of your machining facilities, and wow us consumers with your sexy equipment and thus instill some confidence in us snobby BMW customers?
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You quote forge bar is superior, yet you use the same material as the big boys? I highly doubt the big boys would be using cast bar feed...

What are the mechanical property differences between your feed and their feed (BHN, tensile UTS etc?)

Yep you're always going to come across skeptics with a new emerging product, it's human nature. The smart manufacturers don't get themselves in a tit for tat mud slinging situation they listen to what their skeptics comments are and evolve.

For example when Lexus released the IS-F it wasn't as good as the Merc C63, or the bmw M3 but slowly Lexus have improved (addition of an LSD, stiffer suspension etc etc) and at the end of the day the IS-F is still a damn good product but it hasn't had 20 years of evolution like it's competitors.

I'm definately not saying just because product x is made in asia that its crap, you're correct in stating that based on area of manufacture doesn't mean the quality is bad.

At the end of the day I'm not rubbishing your product or company, it's my personal opinion that I would buy a product from a Co that has a proven reputation in the BMW application for quite some time and I'm willing to pay extra for that privilege. If I was in your shoes I would most likely take the same approach and have the manufacturing base in asia to keep costs down to lower the purchase price for consumers as purchase price/dollars is generally perceived as being most important for the majority of car modifiers.

Perhaps you could take some photos of your machining facilities, and wow us consumers with your sexy equipment and thus instill some confidence in us snobby BMW customers?
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Is there even pricing for a full pumpkin swap for those of us with welded diffs? Would make things much simpler especially if we can just do it via the aus distributor/office.
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I never said they are cast, I said they are "billet". Most companies (such as Wavetrac, Quaife etc) purchase their barstock, then stick it straight onto the cnc machine. This is what most of you would call "billet", although the word is used wrong (billet actually just means the shape of the barstock). Whilst most barstock is purchased as cast stock, you can purchase forged stock which is far more expensive (hence why most tend to purchase cast stock). However, machining directly from forged stock is NOT the same as a genuine forged product. I cannot say whether our competitors are using cast stock or forged stock; that is something you would need to ask yourself.

After we purchase our barstock (which is cast stock), it is put through the forging process to create "blanks", which take the general form of the item that is being manufactured. This forged blank is metallurgically stronger than the barstock from which it was created (regardless whether cast or forged stock). The "blank" is then put onto the cnc machine for processing etc. This is why I say our metallurgy is superior, because it is (i.e Like-for-like, a forged part will always be metallurgically stronger than a billet part. That fact cannot be denied). It may start out as the same material, but the end product is far from the same.

This is not the time nor place for "tit for tat" as you call it, so you can read all the information you want about us on our website (which actually answers everything you've already asked):

http://www.teammfactory.com/articles_forging
http://www.teammfactory.com/company-profile
http://www.teammfactory.com/company-gallery
http://www.teammfactory.com/custom-d...ent_facilities

I do not (and will not) "wow" anyone into buying our products through words or images; that is not how we run our business. We let our products and our customer service speak for itself, and those from this forum and the other bmw forums whom have purchased our LSD and installed it, will offer their feedback in their own time.

I will not get into a "mud slinging" match with you and, as I said, I cannot force you to change your mind nor attitude towards us. If you want to be a "snob" as you call yourself, then so be it. However, for the rest of you that want a good quality product that is in no way "inferior" to what is currently on the market, and at a good value for money, then you need look no further. If you prefer to go for a more expensive product from a company who has been around longer than ours, I won't stop you nor try to persuade you otherwise.

All of our BMW LSD's are priced at $999.95 MSRP (20% discount with the Group-of-5), however, for the welded guys, we are currently making a new ring & pinion (oem ratios) so that you do not need any expensive machining work etc done.
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