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Im not new to the audio scene but since selling my previous car (see sig) with SWS, Bit One, JL Amp, Focal KRS100 and Technic Harness, I am really missing a good sound system and bass!

Ive got a pre LCI E92 335D with BASE system so 6 spkr garbage. I want to change the upfront components (3 way) and add a sub or two in the boot and of course an EQ. My take on Focals is this excellent value for money however too bright IMHO. I have seen a list floating about with the various speaker options but my problem is I cannot for the life of me decide what to go with and I dont want to spend a zillion on my upgrade although it will probably go into 1.5k if Im careful!

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I want a good amount of bass and clarity this is key!

The confusion / questions:
EQ / Processor: Firstly, is an MS-8 worth getting or can I put that money towards a better amp?! I may have the opportunity to pick up an MS-8 second hand for quite less than its RRP but is it worth it?! Does everyone on here go for an MS-8 / Bit One? What other options lie outside of this and will they even be worth considering??

Components: I can get Morel Dotech Ovation (4 is what Im going for I assume?!) for about 200-250 all in.. here in the UK are these good quality speakers for its price? I dont want to spend more than that on 2 way as I still need to factor the cost of aftermarket underseat woofers.
o What other decent 8 underseat subs are there instead of SWS Earthquakes? If I am putting 1x or 2 x 10 / 12subs in the boot, will these SWS-Earthquakes be an overkill??
o If yes to the above, should I simply look to get a 3 way package like the one from HERTZ ESK 163L I believe, which come with 6.5 underseats for the same price as Morels a 2 way comp as aforementioned?

Amp: What can you tell me lol.. so many to choose from!

Wiring: Will the new amp power the Boot Subs alone and the HU power the new components (including underseats?)

Apologies for the long read but look forward to any advice!
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Don't think you can get away without and amp

Don't think you can get away without and amp.
A lot of people buy the ms-8 and find it just won't do the
woofer under the seat and its not a lot of drive for door speakers either.
The Morels are probably the best door speaker but there are fitment
issues with the coupe , some have solved this but I don't know how.
The ms-8 is used a lot here as it flattens the bad eq in the
head unit but you can recode the head unit in most cars to be flat to.
Indeed even some of the ms-8 users do this because they say it sounds
better. The ms-8 was accepted by a lot of the logic 7 owners as the best
way to get a lot of channels to fill the hole left by the 9 channel L7 amp
and still have logic 7 . It does allow you a lot of control over your sound but you have to do a lot of tweeking or can do a lot tweeking to get it right.

Base system solutions are fix the eq , add amp and speakers if you want you
can add a processor.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

Jehnert are the most accurate under seats they also make a direct
fit three way set that has a 4inch and tweeter for the doors that fits in the coupe.

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The confusion / questions:
EQ / Processor: Firstly, is an MS-8 worth getting or can I put that money towards a better amp?! I may have the opportunity to pick up an MS-8 second hand for quite less than its RRP but is it worth it?! Does everyone on here go for an MS-8 / Bit One? What other options lie outside of this and will they even be worth considering??

You need to get something that will sort that base EQ out. If you don't, the amplified signal will sound rubbish. Your options are either a recode or a digital processor. A recode would've been my first choice but some HU's can not be recoded without changing the hardware. I also wanted the ability to return to stock. However there are still advantages of a processor even if you do recode. If you have heard Logic 7 and like centre staging and are prepared to tweak a lot then the MS-8 would be a good investment, a great one if you can get it cheaper. It does wonders once you get everything set up right. Haven't ever used the Bit One so cant comment but i suspect it does the same thing but in more depth?

Components: I can get Morel Dotech Ovation (4 is what Im going for I assume?!) for about 200-250 all in.. here in the UK are these good quality speakers for its price?
Exact same as me. 4" is the way to go. I got mine from Greg at AutoAudio in Park Royal, London for around 225. Considering these are the same price as Focals its a great deal. These are great quality speakers. Bring the music to life, you can hear stuff in the music that previously you never knew was there! But as ctuna says you need to check fitment regarding depth in your e92. Also you'll need to make your own adaptor if you dont want to drill into your leather. I did put an adaptor template up but it was for an e90. It is worth it though! Seeing as though you may install an MS-8, you should fit a centre channel in as well. If funds are an issue then the Vibe Slick 4 is a good value speaker. If you want to go all out then get a Morel Integra Ovation 4, which is what i did

I dont want to spend more than that on 2 way as I still need to factor the cost of aftermarket underseat woofers.
o What other decent 8 underseat subs are there instead of SWS Earthquakes? If I am putting 1x or 2 x 10 / 12subs in the boot, will these SWS-Earthquakes be an overkill??
o If yes to the above, should I simply look to get a 3 way package like the one from HERTZ ESK 163L I believe, which come with 6.5 underseats for the same price as Morels a 2 way comp as aforementioned?

I think it would be overkill as you want your sub bass to come from your sub, and mid bass from the underseats. Jehnerts are a great option (240 delivered from Jehnert in Germany direct, with adaptors). I havent heard the Hertz, but for that price point i suspect the quality will be lower than the Morels/Jehnerts. Plus they are 6.5" mid bass drivers. You really do get what you pay for.
Amp: What can you tell me lol.. so many to choose from!
It depends on what set up you go for, i.e if you get a centre channel. I went with a JL XD600/6 as it was small enough to fit in the left hand compartment (mines an e90 though), had 6 channels of nice clean power and loads of people swear by it on here, and now i do The HD series is apparantly even better. I got my xd from CAD for 360

Wiring: Will the new amp power the Boot Subs alone and the HU power the new components (including underseats?)

I wish! The HU doesnt have nowhere near enough power to power components and underseats. If you want you could probably get one amp for all. It depends on how much your sub demands. You can get 5 channel amps with a sub output of around 300w. The Morels and Jehnerts should sound nice with 75-120w ish.

Apologies for the long read but look forward to any advice!
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Don't think you can get away without and amp.
A lot of people buy the ms-8 and find it just won't do the
woofer under the seat and its not a lot of drive for door speakers either.
The Morels are probably the best door speaker but there are fitment
issues with the coupe , some have solved this but I don't know how.
The ms-8 is used a lot here as it flattens the bad eq in the
head unit but you can recode the head unit in most cars to be flat to.
Indeed even some of the ms-8 users do this because they say it sounds
better. The ms-8 was accepted by a lot of the logic 7 owners as the best
way to get a lot of channels to fill the hole left by the 9 channel L7 amp
and still have logic 7 . It does allow you a lot of control over your sound but you have to do a lot of tweeking or can do a lot tweeking to get it right.

Base system solutions are fix the eq , add amp and speakers if you want you
can add a processor.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

Jehnert are the most accurate under seats they also make a direct
fit three way set that has a 4inch and tweeter for the doors that fits in the coupe.
Thanks for allt he info CTUNA. I'm not trying to get away without an Amp by any means.. just wonder which amp I would look to use give my aim / planned set up...

:-) I'm steering toward Morel Dotech Ovation. Is there a massive difference between those and say, Morel Hybrid Ovation?
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Mob 17, thanks for the info and your kind offer, if I'm ever in those neck of the woods, I'll be sure to drop you a line :-)

Yeah understood re: EQ..just not sure whether its worth spending 350-400 on an MS-8 when I know I won't tweak it much. If I recode, then I may opto for something cheaper maybe a cleanweep or cache of some sort.... just can't decide what I'd need an MS-8 for if I won't be tweaking it.. and I'm pretty certain I won't given a/I don't know how to and b/I never tuned the Bit One at all!

Saying that, I'm trying not to miss out on a trend as I have heard an MS-8 in action before! I have also heard the L7 13 spkr system in an E92 and they def sound the nuts compared to BASE package.

How can I find out if mine can be recoded without HW changes? Pre LCI 2006 Coupe.

RE: Components - Never heard of AutoAudio but we have John Kleis just 15 mins from me so may pay him a visit for more info at some point! I'll also give Greg a shout soon too - London's always on my agenda so I'm there few times a month anyways! Yes these are the same price as focals and I won't be getting them anytime soon - way too bright for me after owning it. Thought it was just me but clearly not.

Yeah adaptor wise I'll have to buy one from somewhere but is there a major issue of fitting morels into the door? Focals previously were 4" .. and bot morels and focals seem fairly shallow?!

I previously for my E90 bought all the adaptors etc from 808MGUY over in the US and sadly everything got sold with the car! Pissed off but c'est la vie! Last time didn't fit a centre channel but this time I def will and Vibe may be the way to go as several people have used it and can vouch for it!

RE: Underseats.. Will getting 8" over 6.5" really matter that much if my bass will be coming from the subs in the boot? The underseat can then effectively be programmed for pure mid -bass drivers rather than sub woofers.. therefore extra clarity? Or am I twisting things now??

You've mentioned Jenherts for 240.. are these 8" or 6.5"? If they come with adaptors / spacers, that's one less headache!

I've not heard hertz but it's fairly popular amongst some people. I'm not looking to go down hertz as althought its a nice little package, as you say.. you do get what you pay for!

I'll have to think of something else if not SWS!

Re: Amp ... is this going to be a 1 stop solution to my needs.. (3 way components + 1 or 2 subs in the boot??)

.............. http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro..._id/12579.html .........

4 chn is no good I suppose then!?

Someone on here is selling it for a fraction of that price so is it worth getting for about 300 and will this be the only amp I will need?? Please explain what I'd power off these (boot sub and underseat upgraded woofers as well as the components?) What will the MS-8 be powered off - the HU?? Can the HU not power anything i.e tweeters..??
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Mob 17, thanks for the info and your kind offer, if I'm ever in those neck of the woods, I'll be sure to drop you a line :-)

Yeah understood re: EQ..just not sure whether its worth spending 350-400 on an MS-8 when I know I won't tweak it much. If I recode, then I may opto for something cheaper maybe a cleanweep or cache of some sort.... just can't decide what I'd need an MS-8 for if I won't be tweaking it.. and I'm pretty certain I won't given a/I don't know how to and b/I never tuned the Bit One at all!

By tweaking i meant there will probably be quite a few calibrations you would need to do in order to get the best results. I only mentioned this as its marketed as quick and easy; but its not! Especially if you have a partially amped system, it gets more complicated. But you will get loads of help on here to help you. Having said that i dont think theres anywhere near enough work to do compared to a bit one. But once you're happy you can leave it. Its still amazing to me what the ms-8 can do. I got it because i couldnt recode. My first upgrade was an ms-8 and the vibe centre. Kept the rest of the speakers stock. Was a huge improvement on clarity, staging and a decent improvement in bass (still had the oem woofers). Music sounds like it comes from all across the dash and yet still retains a nice centre. Its also got 8 channels with adjustable crossovers for each one.

Saying that, I'm trying not to miss out on a trend as I have heard an MS-8 in action before! I have also heard the L7 13 spkr system in an E92 and they def sound the nuts compared to BASE package.

How can I find out if mine can be recoded without HW changes? Pre LCI 2006 Coupe.
It varies a lot. Maybe mine could have been coded, but i doubt it. I rang up a few BMW dealerships and asked them if they could recode my headunit to HiFi. Some dont even know so then i said "the same recoding you do for the Alpine Upgrade". One dealer said they wont do it, the other said they cant without replacing hardware. Independants didnt know and said they can try; but i wasnt confident enough! But there are people/ independants that can recode it, i think there's a thread in the UK section about coders. Up to you if you can find one you trust
RE: Components - Never heard of AutoAudio but we have John Kleis just 15 mins from me so may pay him a visit for more info at some point! I'll also give Greg a shout soon too - London's always on my agenda so I'm there few times a month anyways! Yes these are the same price as focals and I won't be getting them anytime soon - way too bright for me after owning it. Thought it was just me but clearly not.

The Morels are definately not bright, they sound nice and warm. AutoAudio are the official UK importers of Morels, and i found that their pricing is the cheapest. Definately give Greg a call. He wont know much about the ms-8 but he will definately advise you on the Morels. Nice chap but hard to get hold of. The Hybrids are supposed to be better but i have never heard them. Plus they are pretty expensive, nearly double!

Yeah adaptor wise I'll have to buy one from somewhere but is there a major issue of fitting morels into the door? Focals previously were 4" .. and bot morels and focals seem fairly shallow?!

I previously for my E90 bought all the adaptors etc from 808MGUY over in the US and sadly everything got sold with the car! Pissed off but c'est la vie! Last time didn't fit a centre channel but this time I def will and Vibe may be the way to go as several people have used it and can vouch for it!

I couldnt find anywhere that would sell the adaptors so i had to make some myself. I did contact 808MGuy but he stopped making them Im not really sure on the fitment of the e92, but from memory im sure people have fitted them in... The vibe would be a good speaker, if you're not happy its only 20-30 and you can always upgrade. I upgraded to a Morel coaxial as the ms-8 makes the centre speaker important, plus i wanted the same quality all across

RE: Underseats.. Will getting 8" over 6.5" really matter that much if my bass will be coming from the subs in the boot? The underseat can then effectively be programmed for pure mid -bass drivers rather than sub woofers.. therefore extra clarity? Or am I twisting things now??

You've mentioned Jenherts for 240.. are these 8" or 6.5"? If they come with adaptors / spacers, that's one less headache!

I've not heard hertz but it's fairly popular amongst some people. I'm not looking to go down hertz as althought its a nice little package, as you say.. you do get what you pay for!

I'll have to think of something else if not SWS!

The Jehnert XE200s are 8" mid bass drivers, and yes come with the adaptors Ring them up in Germany. Last time i spoke to them they said 313 euros. I fitted mine a few weeks ago, no probs, but i collected from Germany They are considered to be one of the most accurate mid bass drivers available. Because you're getting a sub i'd go with these and not the SWS. I really think you should get Morels/Jehnerts (or another MID bass driver you see fit) vs Hertz. If funds are an issue, like they were with me, its worth doing your audio in stages. I first added the Vibe centre and ms-8, then Morel Dotechs and xd600/6, then Morel Integra centre and then the Jehnerts. Personally i think this is better than settling for a cheaper package and then a few months later spending a load to upgrade. But its up to you and if you've heard the Hertz you can decide Im not sure how many people have installed them on here.

Re: Amp ... is this going to be a 1 stop solution to my needs.. (3 way components + 1 or 2 subs in the boot??)

.............. http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro..._id/12579.html .........

4 chn is no good I suppose then!?

Someone on here is selling it for a fraction of that price so is it worth getting for about 300 and will this be the only amp I will need?? Please explain what I'd power off these (boot sub and underseat upgraded woofers as well as the components?) What will the MS-8 be powered off - the HU?? Can the HU not power anything i.e tweeters..??
I cant view that link for some reason...

The HU shouldn't really be used for anything apart from the rears, but if you get an ms-8 you will use that to power the rears. Im not sure what you mean by what the ms-8 will be powered off. It will basically take speaker level input from the HU, do its thing, and then off to additional amps and finally to speakers. The power/ground wiring is done as a normal amp. A remote line would also need to be fitted. If you get a Technic harness, which i strongly recommend, you can grab the speaker outputs and remote from the HU with no cutting. He can also provide you with speaker connectors if you're too lazy to get them from BMW (like i was!).

Regarding your amp options, it all depends if you get a centre channel and amp it. You can get away without amping the centre and running it off the ms-8 (you'll need a more efficient speaker like a dls 424) but i would not recommend it. In the words of taibanl "the centre channel will be the workhorse of your system", so its best to amp it. So then you'll have 5 channels to amp (centre, morel 2 way components and the underseats), plus your sub so 6. Rears are best to leave on ms-8 power. I think you would find it hard to find an amp to do all of that. You'd most probably would have to get 2 amps, one for everything inside and one for the sub. You can pick up a brand new JL XD 600/6 for 360 from CAD, after a bit of haggling.

If you dont get a centre then you can get an all in one solution. You can get a 5 channel amp with 4 "normal" channels plus a 300w sub channel. Alpine and JL both do these.

So it all really comes down to if you want/need an MS-8 or not. If you do then you'd want a centre and then you'd need two amps. If you dont you can get an all in one solution.

If you want SQ then ms-8, vibe/morel integra, morel dotech/hybrid and jehnerts is a good route.

What enclosure are you looking to put your sub in? And what sub are you looking at?
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Sorry dude, the link was meant to redirect you to JL HD 600/4..

Will read the rest of your post and answer accordingly but I'm quite liking the morels/jenhert combo, maybe not so much the price range of jenhert under seats so may do a bit of shopping around for alternatives but thanks v much so far. Stay tuned heheh.
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Hey Sam, just to add my ten penneth, having heard Mo's Morels back to back with mine I'd happily swap out my Focals for a set of those.

Very well balanced sound, immediately notice the warmth compared to the Focals, which can sound very bright. MS8 does reign the Focals in with a bit of EQ tweaking but still not as nice IMO.
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Hey Sam, just to add my ten penneth, having heard Mo's Morels back to back with mine I'd happily swap out my Focals for a set of those.

Very well balanced sound, immediately notice the warmth compared to the Focals, which can sound very bright. MS8 does reign the Focals in with a bit of EQ tweaking but still not as nice IMO.
Hey Matt,

I was actually in the middle of writing outns small pm to u but figured I needed some sleep so I'll do so over the next day or two hehe.

Open to the panel: I've come across some morel hybrid ovation 4 ii for about 350-400 bnib. Does that sound about right and are these worth an uplift of 100-150 over the more dotech ovations?
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Hey Sam, just to add my ten penneth, having heard Mo's Morels back to back with mine I'd happily swap out my Focals for a set of those.

Very well balanced sound, immediately notice the warmth compared to the Focals, which can sound very bright. MS8 does reign the Focals in with a bit of EQ tweaking but still not as nice IMO.
Thanks Matt

Awbimmer: That price sounds about right for the Hybrids. They are better speakers but i dont know if they warrant the extra money. Hopefully someone else can chine in.
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Just wanted to ask the panel on this as I'm torn atm...

Would getting SWS Earthquakes be an overkill if I'm definitely getting a sub or 2 in the boot?
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Would getting SWS Earthquakes be an overkill if I'm definitely getting a sub or 2 in the boot?
It wouldn't be overkill, but it would be the wrong thing to do!
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It wouldn't be overkill, but it would be the wrong thing to do!
+1, i meant overkill as in you would have 3 drivers that are best for low frequencies, so you'd have a mid bass hole.

Forgot to mention before that SWS are not that good for mid bass. Ideally you want the four main "frequency ranges" represented by a driver that is good at it. If you're getting a sub then your low frequencies are sorted, then you want to focus on mid bass. And the SWS won't be as good as others, such as Jehnerts. I think theres a good Kicker one too but its discontinued. Also some people have also installed Morel ADMWs but fitting that requires more work i think as its 9".
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Cheers folks decided to let it go in the end.. Onto a real mid bass driver now.. Will look into jenherts..
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Update:
Got the MS8 and now being offered the Jehnerts XE200 + spacers + Alpine PDX 4.100 for 300.. that means I need to find a 2 way kit but what is decent at 150??

The other choice was stick to getting HERTZ ESK163L 3 way comp but as this only comes with 6.5" underseats, I'm being skeptical as to whether it'll be a good enough sound...

I've picked up a JL 10w7 + a full boot install and therefore will have a good level of bass..

Will getting the Jehnert XE200 8" be a bit of an overkill too (as was the case with SWS) given that I'll have the 10w7 in the boot or could I simply do with the Hertz 3 way com set which comes with the 6.5" underseats?

My concern is if I get the Jehnerts + this Alpine PDX 4.100 from a friend who's kindly offering me a great price, I'll be looking at 150-220 for a 2 way set which equates to around 520 on a set of 3 way comps and an Alpine PDX 4 chn Amp..

Is it me or that quite expensive?

The hertz ESK 163L comes in a grand total of 220 ish and includes (1", 4" and 6.5")
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Got the MS8 and now being offered the Jehnerts XE200 + spacers + Alpine PDX 4.100 for £300.. that means I need to find a 2 way kit but what is decent at £150??

The other choice was stick to getting HERTZ ESK163L 3 way comp but as this only comes with 6.5" underseats, I'm being skeptical as to whether it'll be a good enough sound...

I've picked up a JL 10w7 + a full boot install and therefore will have a good level of bass..

Will getting the Jehnert XE200 8" be a bit of an overkill too (as was the case with SWS) given that I'll have the 10w7 in the boot or could I simply do with the Hertz 3 way com set which comes with the 6.5" underseats?

My concern is if I get the Jehnerts + this Alpine PDX 4.100 from a friend who's kindly offering me a great price, I'll be looking at £150-£220 for a 2 way set which equates to around £520 on a set of 3 way comps and an Alpine PDX 4 chn Amp..

Is it me or that quite expensive?

The hertz ESK 163L comes in a grand total of £220 ish and includes (1", 4" and 6.5")
£300 is a good deal for the jehnerts and pdx. However maybe someone else can comment about noise issues of the older pdx series, im sure there was an issue with them. Also, are you not going to amp your centre then?

£520 is not bad: New Jehnerts are £250 plus new Morel DO @ £225, then add an amp and you will go way over £520!

The Jehnerts will not be overkill if you have a sub. It's not a sub!

If you're not too keen on them, you can keep your existing OEM mid bass drivers and get a 2 way comp set and install your sub. If you feel that there's nothing missing in your music then thats fine.
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Hi Sam

It looks like youve got quite a healthy budget to play with and already laughing after doing well on the MS8!

If I were you, seeing as you're going to go the route of a trunk sub, I'd probably look to skip the Jenherts and divert the funds towards the better set of components up front such as the Morels Ovations. Id also favour that over the Hertz option.

I'd also seriously consider adding a well matched centre channel, Mo managed to get a good deal on just the one Morel Integra maybe you could try and see if you could get a deal on three Ovations, or buy four and sell one?

That would be a very nice sounding system, even leaving the OE underseats in as mid woofers the MS8's going to get everything playing together nicely.

Once you've decided on that you can narrow down the amp(s) required...
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It looks like youve got quite a healthy budget to play with and already laughing after doing well on the MS8!

If I were you, seeing as you're going to go the route of a trunk sub, I'd probably look to skip the Jenherts and divert the funds towards the better set of components up front such as the Morels Ovations. Id also favour that over the Hertz option.

I'd also seriously consider adding a well matched centre channel, Mo managed to get a good deal on just the one Morel Integra maybe you could try and see if you could get a deal on three Ovations, or buy four and sell one?

That would be a very nice sounding system, even leaving the OE underseats in as mid woofers the MS8's going to get everything playing together nicely.

Once you've decided on that you can narrow down the amp(s) required...
Yeah you could skip the Jehnerts and see what it sounds like with everything else. The base woofers aren't great but can sound ok with the ms-8 and some power. This could satisfy you. They won't be as good as aftermarket ones but it will still sound much better than what you have now. It really depends on how much you want to spend at the moment.

Matt's also right about the centre. Ideally you want your front 3 mids to be roughly the same level of quality and efficiency; makes level matching easier and will sound better. Maybe give Greg @ Autoaudio a ring to enquire about a pair of Dotechs and a single Integra Ovation.

By the way, if you do get Morel comps you will either need to try and source some adaptors or make your own, which is more likely. They don't have to be perfect. Just ask Matt about my mahogany adaptors - for the discerning gentleman!
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Thanks for this guys! Really appreciate your help so late at night.
Until I read, I decided that I'll go with the Jehnerts and I'll get a set of 2 way comps ... Rainbow DL-C4.2 (http://www.raysmith.co.uk/rainbow-ca...x-80-watt.html)

Do you guys know if this would sound good or if they're any good? Also whether they would fit in the e92s? I know the more popular rainbows are the SLC 210.25 NG which I'm trying to find but not able to... ANY ideas as to what the differences are between the two varieties?

The jehnerts and spacers are costing me 200 and these rainbow DL-C4.2 2ways are 150 (which John kleis) have recommended, that's my front end pretty much done for a very good price...however any info or advice on these rainbow speakers won't go a miss! For 350 - jehnerts and rainbow speakers seem a pretty good deal.

I was planning on saying no to these jehnerts however knowing myself I knew I'd want to change the OE underseat at some point so might as well be now as I'm doing the upgrades..

Re: cntr channel, I'll look into this and keep u folks updated.

Matt: yeah the ms8 price tag was just a too good a deal not to be missed so decided that after remembering how highly u spoke of them at the time of your install.

Mo: thanks v much for calling yest at short notice ..

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Thanks for this guys! Really appreciate your help so late at night.
Until I read, I decided that I'll go with the Jehnerts and I'll get a set of 2 way comps ... Rainbow DL-C4.2 (http://www.raysmith.co.uk/rainbow-ca...x-80-watt.html)

Do you guys know if this would sound good or if they're any good? Also whether they would fit in the e92s? I know the more popular rainbows are the SLC 210.25 NG which I'm trying to find but not able to... ANY ideas as to what the differences are between the two varieties?

The jehnerts and spacers are costing me £200 and these rainbow DL-C4.2 2ways are £150 (which John kleis) have recommended, that's my front end pretty much done for a very good price...however any info or advice on these rainbow speakers won't go a miss! For £350 - jehnerts and rainbow speakers seem a pretty good deal.

I was planning on saying no to these jehnerts however knowing myself I knew I'd want to change the OE underseat at some point so might as well be now as I'm doing the upgrades..

Re: cntr channel, I'll look into this and keep u folks updated.

Matt: yeah the ms8 price tag was just a too good a deal not to be missed so decided that after remembering how highly u spoke of them at the time of your install.

Mo: thanks v much for calling yest at short notice ..

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No problem Sam But remember didn't i say you'd change your mind again! But it's all good happened to me all the time!

Have never heard Rainbow speakers before, but when i was researching they did pop up. Generally their speakers are supposed to be good, but i think Morels are rated more. Also, the Rainbow crossovers are pretty big and i don't think they will fit in the doors, they might but just check. The mounting depth of those Rainbows are 51 but your car has a 43mm mounting depth.

I think whatever you decide, just get a similarly matched centre.
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Having said that the Morel mounting depths are bigger than 43mm, and various e92/3 owners still manage to fit them. You may have to top mount.
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Cheers Mo- do you know where I could find the mounting depth figures for e92s by any chance?
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