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      09-04-2014, 07:37 AM   #1
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word in the streets is that vargas surpassed the 600/600 WR on stock frames

cant wait for the news and all the info to be released!

this was posted last night over in the other german site

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"We will announce everything tomorrow, including pricing, estimated ship times, (not long), and results.These are the results we expected when we built these units a while back. We actually had these housings machined in 2012 for the bigger TD04 comp wheels, and they have literally sat on the shelf except when I let Dzenno use them, then we decided to put them on the car a couple weeks ago after we were 100% sure we had maxed out the 15T's, the fact that someone put something similar on a car and made decent numbers before we had a chance to test is just bad timing. I am just happy to show all the believers in magic and "tricks" that there is no such thing, there is the laws of physics, and fluid dynamics at work, nothing more. We solidly beat the numbers, and this was done on low timing, a fuel issue, and medium boost, we will get it resolved and get back on the dyno and make more in the next few days."
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LOL, by copying something simple they were not previously aware of that some Mitsubishi TD04 experts did to a used set of RB's. Those other guys already broke the 600WHP levels on an N54.

edit: before the usual BS gets too out of hand here please go to the other forum and read up. It looks like both Vargas and RB were unaware this could be done but that is not clear. Regardless someone else (Ray Pampena) did the actual work and deserves all the credit for pushing the envelope.
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627whp and 625wtq....wow
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Stock frame turbos won't last making those numbers
I will put that to the test
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what he said ^^

Not to mention I cant imagine the Top-end being any good... We shall see I guess.
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edit: before the usual BS gets too out of hand here please go to the other forum and read up. It looks like both Vargas and RB were unaware this could be done but that is not clear. Regardless someone else (Ray Pampena) did the actual work and deserves all the credit for pushing the envelope.
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LOL, by copying something simple they were not previously aware of that some Mitsubishi TD04 experts did to a used set of RB's. Those other guys already broke the 600WHP levels on an N54.

edit: before the usual BS gets too out of hand here please go to the other forum and read up. It looks like both Vargas and RB were unaware this could be done but that is not clear. Regardless someone else (Ray Pampena) did the actual work and deserves all the credit for pushing the envelope.
it really DOES NOT MATTER to me, all i care about is that the information is out.
this guy that modified the turbos first had NO INTENTIONS TO release the info, or make any other sets available for the public to purchase.
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what he said ^^

Not to mention I cant imagine the Top-end being any good... We shall see I guess.
if you do your research it makes 600WTQ FROM 100-140MPH!
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Not to mention I cant imagine the Top-end being any good... We shall see I guess.

I would definitely read the thread on the other site. Supposedly these upgrades are holding boost all the way to redline which would be damn impressive.
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it really DOES NOT MATTER to me, all i care about is that the information is out.
this guy that modified the turbos first had NO INTENTIONS TO release the info, or make any other sets available for the public to purchase.
Hey I am as excited as anyone about this, I am also one of those guys who believes innovators should be recognized for their contributions. Especially considering this was basically a gift from them to the N54 crowd, they have no intention of selling it or profiting in any way

Can't wait to see what RB comes up with also. All of this is good, esp if you're a guy like me been hanging back for a while on going big single and now envelope just got pushed wide open again. And at a much lower price point.

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Hey I am as excited as anyone about this, I am also one of those guys who believes innovators should be recognized for their contributions.

Can't wait to see what RB comes up with also. All of this is good, esp if you're a guy like me been hanging back for a while on going big single and now envelope just got pushed wide open again. And at a much lower price point.
EXACTLY
i applaud the shop who put this out there first and gave them props

I feel sorry for all the OVERPRICED single turbo kits coming out, this will put a big dent on their pocket if they don't lower their price. I know most people with upgraded turbos will go this route before going single.
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Haters on here! LOL I'm sure we will see 600whp for a long time, with proper tuning e85 and meth it isn't that farfetched.
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i applaud the shop who put this out there first and gave them props

I feel sorry for all the OVERPRICED single turbo kits coming out, this will put a big dent on their pocket if they don't lower their price. I know most people with upgraded turbos will go this route before going single.
Yeah I hear you, I was pretty much convinced to go single until this showed up. You also have to ask why go big Stage 3 twins if this is going to end up in mid 650's for less than half price PLUS use all stock plumbing.

Great times for N54 crowd. What would be cool is if this all gets squared way and say the up to 700 WHP is covered by stock frame sub $3500-4000 kits, and then the singles see and additional bump up to 1000WHP ad beyond or there abouts and sort of creep into the monster Supra/GTR territory.

No way I'd drop $10k for 700 WHP but 1000? Yeah maybe.
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Haters on here! LOL I'm sure we will see 600whp for a long time, with proper tuning e85 and meth it isn't that farfetched.
cant wait to put this 20T wheel with e50 and dual meth nozzles to the test!
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Yeah I hear you, I was pretty much convinced to go single until this showed up. You also have to ask why go big Stage 3 twins if this is going to end up in mid 650's for less than half price PLUS use all stock plumbing.

Great times for N54 crowd. What would be cool is if this all gets squared way and say the up to 700 WHP is covered by stock frame sub $3500 kits, and then the singles see and additional bump up to 1000WHP ad beyond or there abouts and sort of creep into the monster Supra/GTR territory.

No way I'd drop $10k for 700 WHP but 1000? Yeah maybe.
TRUE!
i still need a better solution for our fueling issues before i go single. I want something that will be able to handle well over 1,000hp worth of fuel.
MAYBE next year?
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It's a Vargas product I bet we will see it in a timely manner....
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Ray Pampena is a innovating and tuning God. I really wish he would look into this platform a little more but his only experience with this community was interactions on BB. So I'm sure he's already sick of it. I really wish someone would retrofit TD04 DR750r's to this car. Talk about insane quick spool and a monster mid and top end. That would change things forever. Wish my car wasn't my daily and I could put it down to play around with.
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Ray Pampena is a innovating and tuning God. I really wish he would look into this platform a little more but his only experience with this community was interactions on BB. So I'm sure he's already sick of it. I really wish someone would retrofit TD04 DR750r's to this car. Talk about insane quick spool and a monster mid and top end. That would change things forever. Wish my car wasn't my daily and I could put it down to play around with.
very very true, I really hope someday he will find himself dabbling more into this platform, it would be a bog benefit to all of us and the platform it's self

P.S. 3000 looks like it might be time for another 600+WHP N54
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Ray Pampena is a innovating and tuning God. I really wish he would look into this platform a little more but his only experience with this community was interactions on BB. So I'm sure he's already sick of it. I really wish someone would retrofit TD04 DR750r's to this car. Talk about insane quick spool and a monster mid and top end. That would change things forever. Wish my car wasn't my daily and I could put it down to play around with.
It would help you guys to arm yourself with some info about DR turbos. A set of Dynamic Racing DR-750's are in fact a MHI TD04HL 9 blade turbine knock off (they only started using 9 blades in 2013, they were 11 blades before then), and a billet 20T compressor wheel, no more no less. Go ahead and email DR and ask them wheel measurements, 47.04 inducer x 58mm exducer. 20T inducer and exducer 47.04 X 58mm, surprise surprise. The DR-750's are nothing special and Ray Pampena did nothing special on this platform, he took a set of RB's upgraded them to 20T's and ran them. It was a coincidence we had the same housings and wheels on our shelf for almost 2 years and never ran them, but two people run them within a week of each other. Ray may be a tuning god on the 20 year old 3000GT platform, but this isn't the 3000GT, he has a lot to learn if he wants to step into a modern Direct injected platform with a DME as complex as this one. Not saying he cant do it, but bolting on a set of bigger turbos, using a OTS back end flash and the JB to control boost is not very complicated. They were the first to make the numbers because they were the first to bolt on some bigger turbos, but we had planned this exact upgrade for the months leading up to this, just didn't quite get it done in time to be first. Either way we respect what Ray has accomplished and hope he continues to delve into the N54.
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Ray Pampena is a innovating and tuning God. I really wish he would look into this platform a little more but his only experience with this community was interactions on BB. So I'm sure he's already sick of it. I really wish someone would retrofit TD04 DR750r's to this car. Talk about insane quick spool and a monster mid and top end. That would change things forever. Wish my car wasn't my daily and I could put it down to play around with.
It would help you guys to arm yourself with some info about DR turbos. A set of Dynamic Racing DR-750's are in fact a MHI TD04HL 9 blade turbine knock off (they only started using 9 blades in 2013, they were 11 blades before then), and a billet 20T compressor wheel, no more no less. Go ahead and email DR and ask them wheel measurements, 47.04 inducer x 58mm exducer. 20T inducer and exducer 47.04 X 58mm, surprise surprise. The DR-750's are nothing special and Ray Pampena did nothing special on this platform, he took a set of RB's upgraded them to 20T's and ran them. It was a coincidence we had the same housings and wheels on our shelf for almost 2 years and never ran them, but two people run them within a week of each other. Ray may be a tuning god on the 20 year old 3000GT platform, but this isn't the 3000GT, he has a lot to learn if he wants to step into a modern Direct injected platform with a DME as complex as this one. Not saying he cant do it, but bolting on a set of bigger turbos, using a OTS back end flash and the JB to control boost is not very complicated. They were the first to make the numbers because they were the first to bolt on some bigger turbos, but we had planned this exact upgrade for the months leading up to this, just didn't quite get it done in time to be first. Either way we respect what Ray has accomplished and hope he continues to delve into the N54.
Just a FYI he may specialize in the 3kgt world but he is a tuner none the less. I've seen a lot of what he has done, boats and cars. I'm glad I had the right idea on the 750s. Only seen great results never looked into specs since I went TD05 on the 3k
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These turbos have ASR turbine housings. They are not true VTT 2. See below.

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These are not ASR turbos, we used the ASR turbine housing, since we had it laying around and used a 9 blade wheel which we wanted to test, we changed almost everything else, including wheel sizes, internal parts, compressor housing machining, went back to stock actuators, etc. This was just an experiment to test these wheels in the N54, and using that turbine housing was an easy way to do it.
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