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09-03-2012, 09:18 AM | #1 |
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Modify OEM exhaust to sound like PE exhaust
I got some inspiration from the M3 guys who are modifying the stock exhausts to become more aggressive sounding. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=720030
Anyone know what the differences are between the stock 335i It would be awesome if we could just modify our stock exhausts for a couple bones and achieve a PE-type tone and sound. I'm sure it would be VERY popular. It might be wishful thinking, but I figure I throw it out there. (Not interested in the catless DP + stock, or the golf tee mod sounds.) EDIT(thanks to Secretsquirrel): Background Elim11 started this thread to inquire about emulating the mod that many M3 owners use to modify their stock exhausts in order to achieve a PE-type sound. After the contributions of many members, we’ve finally got a similar sound with savings of about $1000! This write-up was created to keep people from having to sift through the mountain of information contained within this thread. Elim11 has moved on to another vehicle and doesn’t frequent this this forum often. So, please feel free to direct your questions towards SecretSquirrel or others who’ve shown willingness to answer questions. But please, read this overview thoroughly before doing so. I’d like to not duplicate the effort if it’s already here. Special credit: apjr09, Ripley, Glowin, WhiteFury, SecretSquirrel and many others who’ve contributed to this. I apologize if I missed someone. This was a group effort and we appreciate everyone who devoted their time for the community. Process Those with N54's can reproduce the sound I have by: 1. Replacing resonator with X pipe (if you have an e90. e92's don't have a resonator). A 2.5” stainless Xpipe will work. Check question 2 in the FAQ for a link if you’re lazy. 2. Replacing both outside perforated pipes with solid pipes. The driver side muffler will have an internal muffler resonator. Chop that crap off and replace with solid pipe. See the first image for a pic of the internal muffler resonator 3. Don't remove any packing. As WhiteFury mentioned, no sound should be coming out of the areas with solid piping anyway, but it will likely absorb "ambient" (unwanted) noise from the muffler. 4. DownPipes Pictures for illustrating the process to your What the Credit, Unsure. Please let me know who you are so I can credit you appropriately What the Credit. Javy, post 852 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=852 What the Credit, Unsure. Please let me know who you are so I can credit you appropriately Videos 1. WOT video Ripley, http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...0#post15086160 2. Start up, rev and slow driving SecretSquirrel, Post 968 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=968 FAQs 1. Q. How much labor does the mod cost? A. You can count on the mod costing anywhere from $250 to $400. A quick estimate of labor time: muffler mod (2 hours), Xpipe install (45min), new tip installation (30 minutes). Note: The Xpipe requires 8-12 inches of 2.5”piping in order to gradually flow into the 2. Q. How much for parts? A. The Xpipe should cost you around $40. Make sure it is 2.5” and stainless. Note: Don’t show up to an Tips should cost you $70-150. Check out Cyba or Dimisa, but any 2.5” inlet tip will work. I used the 2.5” inlet, 4” tip at http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts...ed-exhaust-tip. Just make sure the shop welds them with the name pointed down. 3. Q. Is it loud? A. No, the mod is not loud (with or without DPs). The normal driving volume is about as loud as the 4. Q. Any drone? A. No, there is absolutely no drone with or without catless DPs. 5. Q. Is the Xpipe necessary for the e92? A. The e92 already has an Xpipe, whereas the e90 has a resonator. Therefore, e92 owners don’t need to install an Xpipe. 6. Q. Is it necessary to replace all the packing? A. I don’t know if it’s necessary, but IMO it’s a good idea to do as it should absorb some of the sound that circulates within the
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09-03-2012, 09:21 AM | #2 |
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09-03-2012, 11:40 AM | #3 |
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It sounds to me like the m3 mod is just cutting out the internal silencer and replacing it with a straight pipe. I wonder how different this would sound on a 335i doing a straight pipe internally vs doing a muffler delete. The difference would be that there would still be a connecting pipe between the two mufflers and there would still be a flap. I can't load the pic from my phone but search "335i
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09-03-2012, 11:44 AM | #4 |
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I'd be supper interested in this!
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09-03-2012, 02:38 PM | #6 |
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Pe, 335( is) and oem all have the same muffler box, so the sound difference comes from packing inside and how much of the perforated pipe is covered up.
Whoever has a pe and doesnt mind cutting it open will do all of us a favor since we could then see what to do to ours in order to make it sound alike. |
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09-03-2012, 06:16 PM | #7 | |
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I'm sure there is a better way to figure out the internals of the PE. Anyone have access to specs/design graphs or internal maps for this purpose? |
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09-10-2012, 06:41 AM | #10 |
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just came across this, inside of Stock muffler
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09-11-2012, 07:34 PM | #12 |
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I just replied in the above topic to see if that member can provide some further insight. It looks like there is a Y-pipe connection at the end of the resonator. If that resonator could be cut and made into a straight pipe, I can almost guarantee that would amplify sound. Or, you can cut the mid pipe that connects the mufflers, but it seems that might cause chocking if you have the flap still and aren't running golf-t mod or canflap open on a JB4.
We need some more experts to chime in on this, but it looks like we're going to crack this soon and PE sales will be Nil in the near future lol |
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09-11-2012, 07:40 PM | #13 |
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I have an extra e92 335i muffler (muffler only) that I'd be happy to donate to the cause if anyone wants to cut theirs and experiment without modifying their only muffler if something goes wrong.
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09-12-2012, 12:25 PM | #14 |
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My guess, and its only a guess, is that the PE has reduced amount of insulated packing material and probably a straight or a straight + perforated pipe in place of the large resonator.
Only one way to find out...anyone with PE willing to be guinea pig?
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09-12-2012, 01:34 PM | #15 |
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Ive seen pics of the stock muffler cut open, but thats useless, what we really need is a pi of the performance
If anyone with a pe ever gets rear ended and has a damaged muffler than it would be perfect to cut open. |
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09-12-2012, 02:28 PM | #16 |
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Looks to me if you cut the baffle out of oem muffler and replace it with a straight pipe it would be the same as muffler delete
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http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=mog&hl=en&gl=us&client=safa ri&tab=wi&q=335i%20muffler%20cut%20open&sa=N&biw=3 20&bih=356#i=0
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This is supposed to be a link to oem muffler cut open
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=mog&hl=en&gl=us&client=safa ri&tab=wi&q=335i%20muffler%20cut%20open&sa=N&biw=3 20&bih=356#p=0
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09-12-2012, 04:58 PM | #21 |
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do you have a down pipe with no cats? would it be too loud with the after market DP?
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09-12-2012, 07:43 PM | #22 | |
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But anyways the mufflers look just like the stock ones someone has to figure this out. They cant be that different inside. |
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