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      09-11-2012, 09:37 AM   #1
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M3 vs 335d

Interesting thread I came across in the M3 section...

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      09-13-2012, 03:48 AM   #2
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Pretty funny how offended some of those M3 owners were! I love my d, but I still want an M3.
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Pretty funny how offended some of those M3 owners were! I love my d, but I still want an M3.
That is what I was thinking. It did not take much to get them all jacked up defending their M3'S.
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That is what I was thinking. It did not take much to get them all jacked up defending their M3'S.
Rather insecure bunch if you ask me. Going on and on about nothing really.

Trying to defend what they spend on a car when truthfully cars in the US are cheap compared to other jurisdictions.

Just some interesting starting pricing facts about the 2012 M3

USA: 60,100 MSRP
Canada: 71,700 MSRP
Australia: 123,000 MSRP

All three countries currencies are within 5%.
I would love to have US pricing in Canada. Would it have changed what I bought. Nope, not at all.
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My post would state: "My 335D would beat you in a race to 474 miles."
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Sad thing is that a well equipped 335d is almost as fast as an M3, especially in real world driving where the d may be even better. The M3 is the poseur here, with all its racy looks and special badging since the d is more of a Q-ship.

But for the cost of an M3, including the poor gas mileage, are there other cars that give you that extra "race ready" feel at that level?

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My post would state: "My 335D would beat you in a race to 474 miles."
That's a good one!
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Kinda funny this thread was mentioned. I had never even heard of a 335d before reading that thread several months ago. At the time I owned a '08 e90 M3. I loved that M3, but it was totaled.

I searched high and low for a replacement M3, and could not find one at a reasonable cost. I remembered that post and started researching the 335d. I found one 2 hours from me. After the test drive I bought it. Sure it is no M3, but for the money I thought it was the next best thing. I didn't have months on end to search and most m3's were in SoCal.

A couple of things that I miss on the M3 are the manual trans, and the 8k redline. That being said I don't miss the constant filling of the gas tank which I averaged about 16mpg mixed driving.

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Unladen weight Kg, European spec M3: 1655 [1675 with auto-manual gearbox]
Unladen weight Kg, European spec 335d: 1655

The V8 is not lighter, so handling is not affected by a lighter car.

The argument that an M3 has a better suspension, a manual transmission [as well as the better auto-manual sequential gearbox option] is certainly a valid one, but the sport option on the 335d comes close, no?

If you look at magazine comparison testing, the M3 usually beats the competition. The 2013 Audi RS 5 vs 2011 BMW M3 vs 2011 Cadillac CTS-V and the 2012 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupe comparisons are examples.

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Kind of Funny my coworker and neighbor has an M3 and I told him lets go race, and he asked what HP I had. I told nah! 300 whp and over 425 lbs torque on the wheels!!, He stopped talking after that LOL
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I will go to France to visit my brother and find out what is thought of the comparison. The feeling I get is that some of the performance stats for the 335d aren't even listed by BMW because they embarrass the M3. Most likely, the most recent 330d in Europe was quite good enough for most people interested in such a car. Not to mention that BMW didn't have a manual transmission that could handle the low end torque of the 3 liter twin turbo diesel. But that's just water under the bridge. The new F30 chassis will show us how the engine choices come around, since the thirsty V8 will no longer be an option.

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You guys are funny... Comparing an M3 to a diesel lol. 35d is a quick and economical 3 no doubt, but the E90 M3 is a legendary all-in-one sport machine. Just because some can't afford one, or can't afford filling it up, trying to convince yourself that you made a right decision purchasing or owning the diesel. Don't make the clowns out of yourselves comparing the two. I for one regret buying the diesel big time. For the money I spend I could have and wanted to get the E90 M3, but I live in Montreal and our winters and roads are extreme and decided to try the X5D... wrong decision. That's why my next car will be the 2015 X5M 4.4l V8.
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You guys are funny... Comparing an M3 to a diesel lol. 35d is a quick and economical 3 no doubt, but the E90 M3 is a legendary all-in-one sport machine. Just because some can't afford one, or can't afford filling it up, trying to convince yourself that you made a right decision purchasing or owning the diesel. Don't make the clowns out of yourselves comparing the two. I for one regret buying the diesel big time. For the money I spend I could have and wanted to get the E90 M3, but I live in Montreal and our winters and roads are extreme. That's why my next car will be the 2015 X5M 4.4l V8.
Before you start calling everyone "clowns" I think you are missing the point of this thread which was to point out the comparisons being made on the M3 forum as well as the defensive behavior being exhibited by some of the owners. I do not think anyone here is claiming the 335d is a better car persay, to the contrary. Can a comparison be made between the two cars, of course! I compared and contrasted the differences when making my purchase decision.

Everyone here knows or is familiar with the M3; in fact one of the posters above owed one - you cannot find someone better to comment on the differences. The M3 is a great car by any measure, but it is a track car and without a doubt it serves this purpose better than the diesel.

While you might be unsatisfied with your purchase decision, most here are not. I had a choice between many torquey V8 power super sedans. I considered buying an M3, but I found it to be rather boring to drive around town. It has no torque so to get any excitment the car needs to be pushed to its limits, which is not practical to do every day. On the other hand the 335d is without question the better and more fun to drive daily driver IMO -- certain caviats apply i.e. personal preferenaces for a manual transmission vs automatic etc. I consider the 335d one of the best all-around sports sedans on the market.

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I drove both, the D and M3. And for me the feeling after driving an M3 DCT in the city or not is indescribaby better in every way possible, a totally different expirience from 335i or a plain 335d. To each his own.
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I look at the this way,,, the M3 is a track master (track tuned suspension, phenominal brakes, aV8 that can rev'd to 8k rpm etc), while the 335d is more of a Jack of all trades and a master of none.
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Before you start calling everyone "clowns" I think you are missing the point of this thread which was to point out the comparisons being made on the M3 forum as well as the defensive behavior being exhibited by some of the owners. I do not think anyone here is claiming the 335d is a better car persay, to the contrary. Can a comparison be made between the two cars, of course! I compared and contrasted the differences when making my purchase decision.

Everyone here knows or is familiar with the M3; in fact one of the posters above owed one - you cannot find someone better to comment on the differences. The M3 is a great car by any measure, but it is a track car and without a doubt it serves this purpose better than the diesel.

While you might be unsatisfied with your purchase decision, most here are not. I had a choice between many torquey V8 power super sedans. I considered buying an M3, but I found it to be rather boring to drive around town. It has no torque so to get any excitment the car needs to be pushed to its limits, which is not practical to do every day. On the other hand the 335d is without question the better and more fun to drive daily driver IMO -- certain caviats apply i.e. personal preferenaces for a manual transmission vs automatic etc. I consider the 335d one of the best all-around sports sedans on the market.
No one is arguing that the 335d is not one of the best all-around cars in the lineup. I just thinking it's foolish to put M logos all over your car and then say that it has the same interior as an M3.

I don't have to defend why I got an M3 and you don't have to defend why you got a diesel. Of course a tuned 335d would give it a run for it's money. During the last meet we went to, a tuned 135i lead our convoy during the drive (E39 M5, E9x M3, E36 M3).

I know I'm new in this section of the forum, but going around and saying "those M3 drivers" are so quick to defend themselves is somewhat hypocritical IMO. If you don't want an M3 great. But we're all enthusiasts here. Thus why I'm in this section researching about the 335d and X5d.

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No one is arguing that the 335d is not one of the best all-around cars in the lineup. I just thinking it's foolish to put M logos all over your car and then say that it has the same interior as an M3.
That I agree with.

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I don't have to defend why I got an M3 and you don't have to defend why you got a diesel. Of course a tuned 335d would give it a run for it's money. During the last meet we went to, a tuned 135i lead our convoy during the drive (E39 M5, E9x M3, E36 M3).

I know I'm new in this section of the forum, but going around and saying "those M3 drivers" are so quick to defend themselves is somewhat hypocritical IMO. If you don't want an M3 great. But we're all enthusiasts here. Thus why I'm in this section researching about the 335d and X5d.

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In all fairness perhaps I was to general with my choice of words. Point being, the thread quickly spirled out of control and turned into another "who has the biggest dick" thread whereby certain M3 owners felt compelled to take their jabs at the 335d in an effort posture themselves and their M3. And that is fine, it happens everyday on this forum. There was some quality contributions (by M3 owners noless) in that thread, so you are right for me to characterize all M3 owners as the same was not accurate.

That being said, speaking for myself, I do not feel compelled to defend my purchase, but rather I find it more beneficial to explain why I did not decide to purchase another type of car instead - semantics I guess. A puchase decision is a personal one, no one shoe fits all, so to each his own. In either case you are right we are all enthusiasts and therefore we can apprecaite the qualities of each others cars.

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No one is arguing that the 335d is not one of the best all-around cars in the lineup. I just thinking it's foolish to put M logos all over your car and then say that it has the same interior as an M3.

I don't have to defend why I got an M3 and you don't have to defend why you got a diesel. Of course a tuned 335d would give it a run for it's money. During the last meet we went to, a tuned 135i lead our convoy during the drive (E39 M5, E9x M3, E36 M3).

I know I'm new in this section of the forum, but going around and saying "those M3 drivers" are so quick to defend themselves is somewhat hypocritical IMO. If you don't want an M3 great. But we're all enthusiasts here. Thus why I'm in this section researching about the 335d and X5d.

Happy motoring!
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That I agree with.



In all fairness perhaps I was to general with my choice of words. Point being, the thread quickly spirled out of control and turned into another "who has the biggest dick" thread whereby certain M3 owners felt compelled to take their jabs at the 335d in an effort posture themselves and their M3. And that is fine, it happens everyday on this forum. There was some quality contributions (by M3 owners noless) in that thread, so you are right for me to characterize all M3 owners as the same was not accurate.

That being said, speaking for myself, I do not feel compelled to defend my purchase, but rather I find it more beneficial to explain why I did not decide to purchase another type of car instead - semantics I guess. A puchase decision is a personal one, no one shoe fits all, so to each his own. In either case you are right we are all enthusiasts and therefore we can apprecaite the qualities of each others cars.

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Ah, to be honest, I didn't go too far past the 3rd post. I don't usually pay much attention to threads like that
There are plenty of cars that are faster than an M3. Heck, it's only a matter of time before 328's are trying to race the V8's.
But my point is that I see just as many 335d vs 1M, 335i, S6, S4 ect....

I personally can't think of a better DD than a 335d or 535d wagon. Unfortunately, looks like I'll be stuck with an X5d. Not that I'm complaining at all!

Let's go HOKIES
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Chris true what you say but there are times SOME owners and I say OWNERS literally cannot accept a simple CONSTRUCTIVE critcism, hence the 335d has more torque than the M3(true) but all in mind is to be goofy and have fun, BTW the M3 sells for a whopping $96k due to luxury tax etc etc. As a matter of fact the when i ran the 1/2 mile here in Puerto Rico some M owners were bashfull and some inquired about the "D" I was very polite and never brought up the fact that my "D" was better or whatever, they were just amazed that it was just a DIESEL, and the times I ran it, 1st time 125.9 mph and the second time 129.68 and I beat a whole lot 335i and Porsches. Needless to say some people shunned away from me so F it i dont care I proved my point!!
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...the E90 M3 is a legendary all-in-one sport machine....
I'm sure you have plenty of reason to have this feeling. Time will tell, but I don't consider this more than hype. Not at 16 mpg. Sorry.

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...the E90 M3 is a legendary all-in-one sport machine....
I'm sure you have plenty of reason to have this feeling. Time will tell, but I don't consider this more than hype. Not at 16 mpg. Sorry.

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Sport/track car vs MPG. Hmmm doesn't sound right.
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