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      10-08-2012, 02:16 PM   #23
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Yow, now I wish I hadn't clicked this thread. I have a 2008 328xi sedan at 50k miles and it has never been in the shop for any reason except regular maintenance and a tire replacement. I gotta find some wood to knock on...
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      10-08-2012, 02:28 PM   #24
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That is your experience and I appreciate that but that doesn't apply accross the board.
According to other sources (not individual opinions like mine or yours) BMW are below average. We can't change that, it is what it is. Not EVERY single bmw is bad but majority have issues which is why they are rated below average.
Older models seems to have had better reliability than e90 and up. It sucks and I own one but if someone asks me if they are reliable or not, the answer is NOT.
They have many other positive things to rev about but reliability is not one of them.
I was speaking about BMW vs Audi reliability. It' well known that Audi reliability is poor and BMW reliability is below average. It's also unfair to say that a majority have issues. Are you saying that over half of BMW owners have unreliable cars? But then again if someone is looking primarily for reliability in a car I would lead them to a Japanese car, not one from Germany.
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I was speaking about BMW vs Audi reliability. It' well known that Audi reliability is poor and BMW reliability is below average. It's also unfair to say that a majority have issues. Are you saying that over half of BMW owners have unreliable cars? But then again if someone is looking primarily for reliability in a car I would lead them to a Japanese car, not one from Germany.
Agreed.
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      10-08-2012, 08:13 PM   #26
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No one buys Audi or BMW for reliability. If that's what you're looking for, Mercedes & especially Lexus will be better but then you're stuck with a boring car. I have actually heard that the M3 manual is the most reliable BMW.
How many people DD a M3 manual to those that have them for a weekend car? 40% DD? Compare the reliability of a DD M3 to a weekend M3. Reliability is mostly measured by problems per 100 cars in the first year. So all those weekend M3s that are less than a year old are rarely driven because they are being garage-eye-candy and anyone that is driving it on the weekend isn't going to go 100% WOT 100% of the time.

It isn't the repairs bills that break the wallet of a M3 owner, it's the maintenance. Valve timing adjustment every 30k on the S54? Fun.
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      10-08-2012, 09:17 PM   #27
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My A4 had it's share of problems. Mind you at that time, it was a new model (B6) with the 1.8T engine.

Rear lights X 2 - so they replaced the entire housing.
Brake lights X 3.
Front passenger fog bulb (daytime running light).
Headlight washer cracked and lost all my wiper fluid.
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MAF sensor malfunction.
All brake pads replaced due to excessive noise within 2 years.
Fuel pump malfunction, just before the recall.
2 failed ignition coil packs.
Multiple CELs (check engine light).

I am sure things have improved since, but personally, despite the excellent service I received, I experienced a fairly high repair frequency.
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Audi reliability over the years has been worse than BMW I believe. In my experience with a 2002 A4 and now 2 E90 328i's the BMW's have been perfectly reliable with the only trips to the dealer for routine maintenance and a broken rear side window sun shade repaired in 5 minutes. My Audi was in the shop a lot, once for over 2 weeks and had 2 recalls.
I've had 5 Audis dating back to the unfounded unintended acceleration era. That car (coupe) was bullet proof and carried a 4 year (3?) unlimited mileage warranty which covered EVERYTHING including tires. The next one , a 100, had a few small problems and one big one. Last 3 (A4 3.2, 2.7 A6 6mt and b7 S4) have been extremely reliable. My brother had an A4 that went through coils and stranded him a couple of times. My 323ci was very reliable (how much can go wrong when youre going that slowly!) but my 335 has had a few annoying problems. It was in 4 times for a steering issue recently. Last was for 8 days while they replaced steering rack and pump. I'd say I've been lucky. I think every manufacturer has issues with the odd car. I am going back to Audi as soon as I can.
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Infiniti seems to be more a hit or miss...Only Honda and Toyota aka Acura and Lexus are truly the bullet proof brands historically...

Audi can be really hit or miss as I know my step father has an A6 with well over 200k miles and its still going strong without any major problems. Modern BMWs are really consistent with problems. If one major problem plagues a particular model year then they all will have that same problem i.e. HPFP, Fuel Injectors, etc.

It seems older BMWs like E30s and E34s last forever as I see 20+ year old E30s and E34s almost every day.
That injector issue is absolutely ridiculous. I've had 3 done and they won't do the others until they go bad (just a matter of time)...ie after warranty expires. They know they are going to go bad.
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That injector issue is absolutely ridiculous. I've had 3 done and they won't do the others until they go bad (just a matter of time)...ie after warranty expires. They know they are going to go bad.
On a 2009? I thought the injector issue was mostly on '07 and '08s. Do you have an early production '09?
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I was reading somewhere (not sure of the source) that the DI 3.6 in the A6 suffers major carbon buildup much like the 335i........ again not positive on this.
The Audi A6 never had a 3.6L engine.

One a side note, asking if Audi or BMW is more reliable is like asking which is more annoying, Justin Bieber or Britney Spear.
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Yow, now I wish I hadn't clicked this thread. I have a 2008 328xi sedan at 50k miles and it has never been in the shop for any reason except regular maintenance and a tire replacement. I gotta find some wood to knock on...
328 will be fine. 335, not so much...
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Fact is cars in general are more complicated so more repairs will be needed. Forcing car manufacturers to squeeze out a couple more miles per gallon is resulting in using technology that is simply not been proven to be reliable over time. Car manufacturers also want to be the first one to offer a new technology and that is nearly always bad news for reliability. Cars are appliances these days, Cars will be recycled like an old dishwasher after 7-10 years, they are to costly to maintain after that.

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The Audi A6 never had a 3.6L engine.

One a side note, asking if Audi or BMW is more reliable is like asking which is more annoying, Justin Bieber or Britney Spear.
I stand corrected..... 3.5 not 3.6
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Yow, now I wish I hadn't clicked this thread. I have a 2008 328xi sedan at 50k miles and it has never been in the shop for any reason except regular maintenance and a tire replacement. I gotta find some wood to knock on...
328 will be fine. 335, not so much...
Yea 328 is very reliable. Have an 07 e92 and let me just say that I always like to take my cars to the limit. Never had a single issue. Except for the douches that gave me a key scratch.
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I stand corrected..... 3.5 not 3.6
The A6 has a 3.2L DI engine but not 3.5L.
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I was reading somewhere (not sure of the source) that the DI 3.6 in the A6 suffers major carbon buildup much like the 335i........ again not positive on this.
The Audi A6 never had a 3.6L engine.
I stand corrected..... 3.5 not 3.6
The A6 has a 3.2L DI engine but not 3.5L.
It was badged as 3.2 but displacement was actually 3.1L.
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I guess I'm not the only one wrong.... Haha
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It was badged as 3.2 but displacement was actually 3.1L.
Definetly not 3.5 though........
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On a 2009? I thought the injector issue was mostly on '07 and '08s. Do you have an early production '09?
Noidea when it was built. I bought it Jan 2010.
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Had my E46 for 7 yrs; problem free except it needed 1-2 software updates; same thing for my '07 E90. Ex wife had an '02 A4. That thing was always in the shop and needed a new auto trans 1 year after the warranty expired. I'll never buy an Audi again!
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I've had 5 Audis dating back to the unfounded unintended acceleration era. That car (coupe) was bullet proof and carried a 4 year (3?) unlimited mileage warranty which covered EVERYTHING including tires. The next one , a 100, had a few small problems and one big one. Last 3 (A4 3.2, 2.7 A6 6mt and b7 S4) have been extremely reliable. My brother had an A4 that went through coils and stranded him a couple of times. My 323ci was very reliable (how much can go wrong when youre going that slowly!) but my 335 has had a few annoying problems. It was in 4 times for a steering issue recently. Last was for 8 days while they replaced steering rack and pump. I'd say I've been lucky. I think every manufacturer has issues with the odd car. I am going back to Audi as soon as I can.
Why are you going back to Audi? Is it related to reliability or other factors? In this conversation I think there's not that much to choose between the 2 brands in terms of reliability so factors like power, style, interiors, AWD systems, sportiness, etc move the bar depending on consumer preferences.
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Why are you going back to Audi? Is it related to reliability or other factors? In this conversation I think there's not that much to choose between the 2 brands in terms of reliability so factors like power, style, interiors, AWD systems, sportiness, etc move the bar depending on consumer preferences.
Combination of things. I miss quattro and didnt like xi. Everyone notices my 335 and I prefer being more invisible. I debadged my B7S4 and got it in silver so the silver mirrors wouldn't stand out. Most just thought it was and A4. I've almost lost confidence in this car with all the weird little things that have gone wrong. I realize that I could have similar issues with Audi but I haven't so far. This is a great car and had I gotten MT (first AT in 36 yrs) I might be thinking differently. I'm not a BMW person.
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from all my friends with audis, its problem after problem after problem. Most of them tell me they wish they got a bmw and will get one next. i dont have a 335 so i dont have any reliability issues but i never hear good things about audis
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