Tirerack
Use the following links to go directly to useful tirerack winter items: Tirerack Winter Tires. Gary's Winter Tire FAQ.
Using the links directly supports E90Post with tirerack sales commision!

  E90Post
 


TireRack

   PLEASE HELP SUPPORT E90POST BY DOING YOUR TIRERACK SHOPPING FROM THIS BANNER, THANKS!
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > Wheels and Tires Forum Sponsored by The Tire Rack > Question About Winter Tires/Wheels



Wheels and Tires forum Sponsored by The Tire Rack
Please help to directly support e90post by doing your tirerack shopping from the above link. For every sale made through the link, e90post gets sponsor support to keep the site alive. Disclaimer

Wheel offset calculator courtesy of BimmerPost.com. You may use this calculator to calculate what tire sizes you might need if you upgrade your tires, or what wheel sizes/offsets are compatible with your car.
    Current Wheel Width  inches             Current Wheel Offset  mm.
         New Wheel Width  inches                  New Wheel Offset  mm.
 
TIRE WIDTH
/
ASPECT RATIO
- WHEEL DIAMETER
ORIGINAL TIRES
/
NEW TIRES
/
Based on your stock wheel setup, your new wheel will have:
Original Tires Diameter (in.)
      New Tires Diameter (in.)
  Difference in diameter (in.)
           Percent Difference %
                     
Speedo @60mph will read: mph
Collapse/Expand the BimmerPost Wheel and Tire calculator
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-04-2012, 11:41 PM   #1
krnet2dboi
Captain
 
Drives: 2008 328i Base
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New YOrk

Posts: 906
iTrader: (2)

Question About Winter Tires/Wheels

Coming from So Cal, I've never experienced driving in snow and I have some questions.

1. Why do people use smaller wheels during the winter opposed to summer? I've seen people use 19' during summer and then use like 17' and 18' during winter.

2. What is the best winter tire available?

3. Where can you buy them relatively cheap?

THANKS!
__________________
There are only two types of cars in the world; BMW and the Rest
krnet2dboi is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-04-2012, 11:47 PM   #2
MattMD
E9X > F3X
 
MattMD's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 328i
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Maryland

Posts: 718
iTrader: (0)

Smaller wheels give you bigger tires. Bigger tires help in the snow. People don't really want their nice rims driving through snow and slush, either.

Best is subjective. I hear Blizzaks are good. You can't really go wrong.

Tirerack has good prices on many different brands.
__________________
2009 E90 328i - Space Grey Metallic on Black // iDrive // Premium Package // Xenons

Mods - Stock for now

Dream Car - Mineral White E92 M3 DCT, Ferrari 458 (someday )
MattMD is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-04-2012, 11:49 PM   #3
Liang
Captain
 
Liang's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada

Posts: 701
iTrader: (6)

People go smaller on their winter setup to save money.

I recommend you check out tirerack.com to build your own winter setup.

You can see some winter tire testing here: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...let?perfType=W
Liang is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 09:27 AM   #4
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Low Key OG View Post
Smaller wheels give you bigger tires. Bigger tires help in the snow. People don't really want their nice rims driving through snow and slush, either.

Best is subjective. I hear Blizzaks are good. You can't really go wrong.

Tirerack has good prices on many different brands.
This is backwards. Smaller (narrower) tires are better in the snow as they will dig in and go through snow more readily than a wide tire that will not sink in as much. Most people go smaller because of this and cost.
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 09:31 AM   #5
Sara504
Lieutenant General
 
Sara504's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 335is
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Newport Beach, CA

Posts: 17,669
iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Low Key OG View Post
Smaller wheels give you bigger tires. Bigger tires help in the snow. People don't really want their nice rims driving through snow and slush, either.

Best is subjective. I hear Blizzaks are good. You can't really go wrong.

Tirerack has good prices on many different brands.
+1

When I lived in the Rockies my winter setup was a 16" wheel with Blizzaks
__________________

2013 335is-Current
2011 335i -Sold 4/13 2006 325i-Sold 7/11
Sara504 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 09:59 AM   #6
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sara504 View Post
+1

When I lived in the Rockies my winter setup was a 16" wheel with Blizzaks
Tire would have had a bigger sidewall but tread would have been narrower. Thats the best setup.
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 10:13 AM   #7
ChipB
First Lieutenant
 
ChipB's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 335i 'vert, 2014 X5
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Naperville, IL

Posts: 313
iTrader: (0)

Some confusing answers here. Let me try to clarify:

1. People generally go with smaller diameter wheels so that the tire can have a taller sidewall and stilll have the same overall rolling diameter. The reason is that in the winter the roads tend to be more potholes, and they can be difficult to see under the slush, and hence you are more likely to hit potholes at speed. Going with a taller sidewall provides more cushion for the wheel from the impact of the pot hole, and hence the rim is less likely to be damaged.

People also go with smaller width tires than in summer because it gives better grip in snow and slush.

2 & 3 - go to tirerack.com and do some research. First question to you is run-flats or regular tires? Also consider the amount of snow that you get in your area and the terrain - I would recommemd a different tire if you are driving up to the ski resorts in CO as opposed to commuting around NYC. Your profile says you are in San Diego, but I expect you are asking these questions becaise you'll be driving elsewhere.
__________________
E93 335i convertible, F15 X5 xDrive35i
Previous: E36 328iC, E28 528e, E21 320i
ChipB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 11:36 AM   #8
krnet2dboi
Captain
 
Drives: 2008 328i Base
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New YOrk

Posts: 906
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipB View Post
Some confusing answers here. Let me try to clarify:

1. People generally go with smaller diameter wheels so that the tire can have a taller sidewall and stilll have the same overall rolling diameter. The reason is that in the winter the roads tend to be more potholes, and they can be difficult to see under the slush, and hence you are more likely to hit potholes at speed. Going with a taller sidewall provides more cushion for the wheel from the impact of the pot hole, and hence the rim is less likely to be damaged.

People also go with smaller width tires than in summer because it gives better grip in snow and slush.

2 & 3 - go to tirerack.com and do some research. First question to you is run-flats or regular tires? Also consider the amount of snow that you get in your area and the terrain - I would recommemd a different tire if you are driving up to the ski resorts in CO as opposed to commuting around NYC. Your profile says you are in San Diego, but I expect you are asking these questions becaise you'll be driving elsewhere.

So what is the preferred diameter of the wheel and type of tires for upstate new york driving. (I'm expecting heavy snowfall)
__________________
There are only two types of cars in the world; BMW and the Rest
krnet2dboi is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 12:06 PM   #9
BMW_Belgier
Lieutenant Colonel
 
BMW_Belgier's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 335xi n55
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Switzerland

Posts: 1,519
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sara504 View Post
+1

When I lived in the Rockies my winter setup was a 16" wheel with Blizzaks
Isn't 17" minimum on our cars?
__________________
BEFORE: 130i N52 (2006-2011)
NOW: 335xi N55 (2011- )
BMW_Belgier is offline   Switzerland
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 12:15 PM   #10
Sara504
Lieutenant General
 
Sara504's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 335is
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Newport Beach, CA

Posts: 17,669
iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW_Belgier View Post
Isn't 17" minimum on our cars?
I had a 2006 325 when I lived in the mountains.
__________________

2013 335is-Current
2011 335i -Sold 4/13 2006 325i-Sold 7/11
Sara504 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 12:20 PM   #11
Smooth 330i
Captain
 
Smooth 330i's Avatar
 
Drives: Sleepy 330i
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: PA

Posts: 921
iTrader: (8)

Quote:
Originally Posted by krnet2dboi View Post
Coming from So Cal, I've never experienced driving in snow and I have some questions.

1. Why do people use smaller wheels during the winter opposed to summer? I've seen people use 19' during summer and then use like 17' and 18' during winter.

2. What is the best winter tire available?

3. Where can you buy them relatively cheap?

THANKS!
1. Why do people use smaller wheels during the winter opposed to summer? I've seen people use 19' during summer and then use like 17' and 18' during winter.

The smaller diameter helps prevent snow build-up in wheel wells and also prvides wheel protection on icy uneven roads. Also, the winter tire compound is softer and designed to maintain optimal grip in cold temps unlike summer tires that become stiff below 40-45 deg and losses their handling performance

2. What is the best winter tire available?

The best is subjective since there are studded and stud-less tires available. Generally in USA most folks use stud-less unless you live in an area is covered in snow and ice for months. I personally use Bridgestone LM-25 in PA. I believe they are winter performance tire optimized for dry winter road handling (stiffer sidewall + cold weather rubber compund).

3. Where can you buy them relatively cheap?

I would look for used sets on this forum for best value. If you are looking for a new set I would check out Tirerack. My tires are 225/45 R17 all around mounted on R17/7.5 wheels.
__________________

E90 330i Sport | JRZ RS1 | Dinan | Quaife | Evolve
M3 Bits | GC | Apex | Braile | Supersprint | Reccaro
Stoptech BBK | BMW Perf | Macht Schnell | Turner
Smooth 330i is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 12:31 PM   #12
BMW_Belgier
Lieutenant Colonel
 
BMW_Belgier's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 335xi n55
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Switzerland

Posts: 1,519
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sara504 View Post
I had a 2006 325 when I lived in the mountains.
Ah ok! Just wondering...

I drive my 193m 18" wheels in winter... But these 225/255 combination winter tires is killing my budget...
__________________
BEFORE: 130i N52 (2006-2011)
NOW: 335xi N55 (2011- )
BMW_Belgier is offline   Switzerland
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 01:01 PM   #13
ken1137
Brigadier General
 
ken1137's Avatar
 
Drives: a slow 2009 e90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Chicago

Posts: 3,658
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2009 e90 335i  [3.20]
FYI...you really dont need to run a smaller diameter. I used 18's on my 135 and will be using the same size on my 335. It is a non-staggered set up on stock wheels b/c I did not want to buy another set. I prefer Bridgestone's so I bought the LM 60's for this Winter. The WS 60's on my 135 were a bit overkill last year since we did not have much snow (one blizzard). Tirerack.com - fast delivery and good pricing. GL
__________________

BMWCCA member
ken1137 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 01:53 PM   #14
krnet2dboi
Captain
 
Drives: 2008 328i Base
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New YOrk

Posts: 906
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ken1137 View Post
FYI...you really dont need to run a smaller diameter. I used 18's on my 135 and will be using the same size on my 335. It is a non-staggered set up on stock wheels b/c I did not want to buy another set. I prefer Bridgestone's so I bought the LM 60's for this Winter. The WS 60's on my 135 were a bit overkill last year since we did not have much snow (one blizzard). Tirerack.com - fast delivery and good pricing. GL
What if I am on 19' Staggered Right now?

Should I purchase 18' or 17'? Or just buy winter tires for 19'?
__________________
There are only two types of cars in the world; BMW and the Rest
krnet2dboi is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 02:12 PM   #15
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by krnet2dboi View Post
What if I am on 19' Staggered Right now?

Should I purchase 18' or 17'? Or just buy winter tires for 19'?
The cost of wheels and winters in 17" or 18" would equal the cost of 19" winter tires...plus there is change over. If you have a dedicated set you can change them yourself.
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 02:19 PM   #16
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NokTurNaL 330i View Post
1. Why do people use smaller wheels during the winter opposed to summer? I've seen people use 19' during summer and then use like 17' and 18' during winter.

The smaller diameter helps prevent snow build-up in wheel wells and also prvides wheel protection on icy uneven roads. Also, the winter tire compound is softer and designed to maintain optimal grip in cold temps unlike summer tires that become stiff below 40-45 deg and losses their handling performance

2. What is the best winter tire available?

The best is subjective since there are studded and stud-less tires available. Generally in USA most folks use stud-less unless you live in an area is covered in snow and ice for months. I personally use Bridgestone LM-25 in PA. I believe they are winter performance tire optimized for dry winter road handling (stiffer sidewall + cold weather rubber compund).

3. Where can you buy them relatively cheap?

I would look for used sets on this forum for best value. If you are looking for a new set I would check out Tirerack. My tires are 225/45 R17 all around mounted on R17/7.5 wheels.
The overall diameter should be the same as your summer set up . Everyone recommends narrower tires.
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 02:40 PM   #17
ken1137
Brigadier General
 
ken1137's Avatar
 
Drives: a slow 2009 e90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Chicago

Posts: 3,658
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2009 e90 335i  [3.20]
Quote:
Originally Posted by krnet2dboi View Post
What if I am on 19' Staggered Right now?

Should I purchase 18' or 17'? Or just buy winter tires for 19'?
I would buy a used set of 18's, the cost shouldnt be much different per the other post. I was lucky, had a set of stock wheels sitting in storage.
__________________

BMWCCA member
ken1137 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 04:52 PM   #18
MattMD
E9X > F3X
 
MattMD's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 328i
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Maryland

Posts: 718
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335BBS View Post
This is backwards. Smaller (narrower) tires are better in the snow as they will dig in and go through snow more readily than a wide tire that will not sink in as much. Most people go smaller because of this and cost.
Of course narrower tires are better. I meant the aspect ratio of the sidewall. You don't want 20" low profile tires in the snow, lol. Smaller wheels = higher aspect ratios in the same space provided.
__________________
2009 E90 328i - Space Grey Metallic on Black // iDrive // Premium Package // Xenons

Mods - Stock for now

Dream Car - Mineral White E92 M3 DCT, Ferrari 458 (someday )
MattMD is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-05-2012, 04:54 PM   #19
Envuks
Captain
 
Envuks's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 e92 335xi
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: MA

Posts: 718
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335BBS
Quote:
Originally Posted by krnet2dboi View Post
What if I am on 19' Staggered Right now?

Should I purchase 18' or 17'? Or just buy winter tires for 19'?
The cost of wheels and winters in 17" or 18" would equal the cost of 19" winter tires...plus there is change over. If you have a dedicated set you can change them yourself.
I have always maintained a dedicated set of winter wheels. This is the best idea IMHO because your wheels get messed up in the winter. I would NOT recommend running 19s in a northeast winter. I can't imagine they would come out looking nice for the following summer
__________________
Jet black e92 6mt 335xi:

18" BBS RGRs, KW v1, ESS Stage 2 flash, VRSF 7" FMIC, VRSF downpipes, JG Mods m-tech front, mtec V3 AEs, BMS OCC, hardwired valentine 1, p3cars gauge, amber delete, sport seats, factory oil cooler.
Envuks is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-06-2012, 01:56 PM   #20
Gary@TireRack
Moderator
 
Gary@TireRack's Avatar
 
Drives: Formerly 1995 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: South Bend, IN, Tire Rack HQ

Posts: 4,348
iTrader: (2)

krnet2dboi,

You will likely find that 19" winter tires are expensive and less effective in the snow conditions you'll be experiencing in upstate NY. Since this is your first "real" winter, I would suggest a more aggressive winter tire like the Blizzak WS-70 in size 225/45R17 on all four wheels. Pair them up with Sport Edition A7 or Rial Salerno wheels (or any other wheel that you like the style of) and you'll be better off than many other vehicles on the road with all season tires.

I can ship them to you mounted and balanced, complete with sensors and ready to bolt on for about the same price as 19" staggered winter tires only. You'll also save some wear and tear on your summer wheels. Check out my winter sticky for a bit more info.

Direct link to the winter section of our site :

Winter http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=AH8&...nter/index.jsp
__________________
Gary
Tire and Wheel Forum Moderator. Tire Rack Sales Rep
Gary@Tirerack.com
http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=AH8&url=index.jsp

Please refer to 'Gary' as your previous contact when you order online.
Gary@TireRack is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-07-2012, 09:57 AM   #21
blackbeast06
adrenergic stimulation
 
blackbeast06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Akron

Posts: 304
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2006 325i  [0.00]
I had Dunlop Graspic DS-3's on my 325i and the thing was a beast in the snow. I live in Cleveland where the snow is treacherous and would zoom by all the cars on the highway, and I was RWD. Size was 225/45/17.
__________________
07 335i. Montego Blue/Saddle Brown. 6 MT.

[IMG]
bm insta by senntera, on Flickr[/IMG]
blackbeast06 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-07-2012, 05:26 PM   #22
krnet2dboi
Captain
 
Drives: 2008 328i Base
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New YOrk

Posts: 906
iTrader: (2)

Is tirerack cheaper? or Discount Tires?
__________________
There are only two types of cars in the world; BMW and the Rest
krnet2dboi is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:46 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST