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      11-14-2012, 04:59 PM   #45
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Thanks for the explanation. I almost typed one out, but just refused to this morning based on the arrogance and/or ignorance of the guy (at least that's what I interpreted). I almost even sent him to the frontal crash ratings link. OP wasn't speeding (or so he said), so I don't know where the issue of fast cars come into play. Mind you, the STI has Brembos going for it :-D

Also OP, Toyotas are on a mass recall... again! Don't wanna be messing around with those.
So what brembos are for braking what if a pickup going 40 mph hits you from the side? Its not ignorance my family members have sti's and evo's and I drive them all the time. There was speed involved and im only going by the cops judgement stating its both their faults...

This is a BMW forum im not going to argue with you that a BMW is safer than the Subaru.
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Not sure if you are serious but Subaru's are very safe (one of the safest on the road), and I'm quite sure they are going to be a lot safer then a mid 90's M3. Safety in respect to vehicles has come a long way since 1995-99.

Depending on the year, Subaru's have 2-6 air bags, and believe it or not airbags are not the only determination of safety in a vehicle. Crumple zones, impact zones, engineering of the uni-body, and other factors play a large role in the car's safety.

My buddy was a fire fighter, and he went to a training scenario with a late model subaru, he said the jaws of life had a hard time cutting through an A-pillar, they use some very high strength steel and welding techniques.

Fore more for specific safety information on cars checkout http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
I could've sworn that when I had my E36 M3, one of the ratings was 3 stars, which did irk me a bit, but then I think I remember reading something where the E36 was retroactively downgraded to one star in one of the categories for some reason.... The badge isn't what makes the car safe.

OP, glad you're ok, and you seem to have a pretty good attitude compared to a lot of people around here who are older than you. Also, shame on you for no pics of said cheerleader.
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      11-14-2012, 05:23 PM   #47
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Again, I am not a habitual speeder and was going said speed limit.This crash had nothing to do with my age or driving ability.
It looks like you are not the one at fault. But you should humble a bit. I do not think you are a terrible driver and should not be allowed to enjoy a good car. But just think about what you could have done that would have saved it.

It is a very common crash scenario, and I cannot prevent thinking that a more experienced driver could have averted it with a combination of better reflexes and covering the brake even before the girl did the mistake, because it is just so probable that she'll do it. Next time, be ready, it might still not save it, but airbags will not always save you, so better take all chances on your side. You are the one responsible of your safety, often, that means that you have to provision for the stupidity of others.
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Kid crashes his e90 and u want him to get inside a car that is way faster than the one he HAD and way less airbags....

Get an E36 M3. Great car.

Is the teen 18....pics or ban
Nahh e46 M3 is the way to go.
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Nahh e46 M3 is the way to go.
I love me some E46 M3s....

Anyways, OP, goodluck with choosing a new car. If i was you:

1 STI
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4 S2K (although if you get hit again, you WILL DIE )
5 Used Mustang?
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Glad you are okay. Its amazing how cars have become safe now. From the picture, there was some speed, 15 years ago you'd be in a hospital or worse. Have yourself checked up tomorrow, sometime it takes a day or two for pain to develop and you may retain debilitating conditions (don't ask how I know...)

Now, you have learned a valuable lesson. Being right, having the right of way doesn't matter. No matter what, nobody's perfect, even good drivers do mistakes occasionally, thus someday somebody will do something stupid in front of you. It is just part of your mission as a driver to be able to avoid them (conversely someday you'll be glad that somebody was aware enough to avoid you and save the day). The fault is theirs, but with more awareness (by adapting speed to surrounding conditions and a capacity to "read" distracted drivers and suspecting anything that has a brain as a potential danger trying to suicide on you), an accident often turns into pointless rant against stupid drivers, or in the case, some sort of misogynistic comment on blond cheerleaders capacity at the wheel .

The case for the car being safe is made. You walked out of it and the picture is not pretty. With that money you can get the same car, more or less.

Should you get a Corrolla ? Actually a Corrolla is plenty fast. Well enough to get you in danger if you don't take responsibility for your safety and act defensive (no, defensive driving is not driving like gran'ma, its looking around at what's going on and being ready). Now, insurance premiums are gonna be tough on you if you get part torts. You could maybe consider some driver improvement program to get them to normal, good way to improve skills, often its fun, and you may save on the long run (and make your mom happy).
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It looks like you are not the one at fault. But you should humble a bit. I do not think you are a terrible driver and should not be allowed to enjoy a good car. But just think about what you could have done that would have saved it.

It is a very common crash scenario, and I cannot prevent thinking that a more experienced driver could have averted it with a combination of better reflexes and covering the brake even before the girl did the mistake, because it is just so probable that she'll do it. Next time, be ready, it might still not save it, but airbags will not always save you, so better take all chances on your side. You are the one responsible of your safety, often, that means that you have to provision for the stupidity of others.
Clearly there is no replacement for experience, and at 18 - chances are very high that you would not have been able to avert the situation either.

Over the years, and particularly as an avid motorcyclist, I drive very defensively, always searching for potential hazards / morons. At intersections where I have the green light, I shadow the brake and and clear the intersection as I approach it - too many close calls not to do that.

Back to the OP: The Police Officer can't lay blame your way unless he has proof that you were exceeding the posted limit. The fact of the matter is that the driver of the other vehicle was at fault and that needs to be addressed.
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      11-14-2012, 07:39 PM   #52
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Hey guys one more question:

Will the insurance company most likely look at my EDR (event data recorder aka black box)? For speed and such? Because most likely I was going above the speed limit but I don't know by how much.
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Hey guys one more question:

Will the insurance company most likely look at my EDR (event data recorder aka black box)? For speed and such? Because most likely I was going above the speed limit but I don't know by how much.
Maybe, but reconstructing the accident they will know your speed. If you were reasonably within the limit and the chick failed to yield you have nothing to worry about.
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      11-14-2012, 08:41 PM   #54
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Maybe, but reconstructing the accident they will know your speed. If you were reasonably within the limit and the chick failed to yield you have nothing to worry about.
Incorrect and badly so. If the chick is hot she may get away with it. She already has the police officer saying it was both of their faults.
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Maybe, but reconstructing the accident they will know your speed. If you were reasonably within the limit and the chick failed to yield you have nothing to worry about.
Incorrect and badly so. If the chick is hot she may get away with it. She already has the police officer saying it was both of their faults.
It's like saying "Oh she ran a red light and hit him, but he was going 15 over"
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Incorrect and badly so. If the chick is hot she may get away with it. She already has the police officer saying it was both of their faults.
That officer is wrong, and lonely. And OP's insurance company will not let the chick get away with it no matter how hot she is because it is there money at the end of the day and they do not want to pay out. If the chick clearly failed to yield to another driver that was following the law why should he be at fault? That's like saying someone making a withdrawal when a bank is robbed should also be arrested.
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That officer is wrong, and lonely. And OP's insurance company will not let the chick get away with it no matter how hot she is because it is there money at the end of the day and they do not want to pay out. If the chick clearly failed to yield to another driver that was following the law why should he be at fault? That's like saying someone making a withdrawal when a bank is robbed should also be arrested.
I don't know man.... She sounds really hot.
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She's probably fugly and pretty in your standards
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She's probably fugly and pretty in your standards
Possibly. De gustibus non est disputandum as the Romans might have said, however, I'm not working from my standards, I'm working from the standards of the OP.
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and at 18 - chances are very high that you would not have been able to avert the situation either.
I'm not claiming otherwise. It took me a number of close calls to realize how foolish it is to expect that others will make no mistakes and loose that feel of entitlement. At the end, whomever was right or wrong doesn't matter when there are injuries, the pain is the same.

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Hey guys one more question:

Will the insurance company most likely look at my EDR (event data recorder aka black box)?
I do not quote you so you can remove the rest here Have you agreed to have such a device as part of your insurance plan ? I know I wouldn't, good way to pay insurance premium and never receive the money when you need it
If you didn't it seems sketchy that they use a device to track your every move and you have no recourse against it. Now, I'm not a layer, so...


On another note, you may also consider a Miata, its a fun car that handles well and I'm pretty sure chicks dig it If you are in sun country, even better!
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Also, I'm engaging in a bit of badinage, and don't actually mean anything I am saying.
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Both your faults?!
she was not even wearing a seatbelt; shows how competent of a driver she is
Umm I am pretty sure when it comes to a situation where the driver was going straight and the other one was turning, it's automatically 100% the fault of the person turning as they failed to yield the right of way.

Only reason I know this is because back when first turned 18, i was making a left hand turn and a women flew out of parking lot, and into the intersection and proceeded to t-bone me.

I fought till was blue in the face regarding the situation and it was shot down.
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Damn.... Hope everything works out man.

Should invest in a dash cam for your next car! Have mines running every time I get in my car. Could prevent insurance frauds
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I am not a habitual speeder and was going said speed limit
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Because most likely I was going above the speed limit
While I believe that the OP is in the right because the person going straight should have the right-of-way, stuff like the above annoys me.
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Damn.... Hope everything works out man.

Should invest in a dash cam for your next car! Have mines running every time I get in my car. Could prevent insurance frauds
Or incriminate, Mr. "Drives: illegally"
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