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      11-22-2012, 10:49 PM   #23
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      11-22-2012, 11:03 PM   #24
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i agree with you but you have to understand that 2 turbos arent cheap
Agreed spectacula, he obviously doesn't understand what our kit will include in comparison to the singles and still be priced close to the same. I could recreate the single kit on the market and price it $2000 less and still make money. Also don't forget the twin GT option over the GTX's will bring the price down. The retail price for the turbo in the single kit on Precision's site is $999. Thats retail, easily knock 15-20% off that buying in bulk. My cost on one GTX is more than that and it doesn't come with a turbine housing so it brings the price even higher. Multiply that by two and our kit even being in the same ballpark price wise says a lot. Obviously you will never make everyone happy. Nothing wrong with the single kits they perform well, were just trying to do something different.
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Agreed spectacula, he obviously doesn't understand what our kit will include in comparison to the singles and still be priced close to the same. I could recreate the single kit on the market and price it $2000 less and still make money. Also don't forget the twin GT option over the GTX's will bring the price down. The retail price for the turbo in the single kit on Precision's site is $999. Thats retail, easily knock 15-20% off that buying in bulk. My cost on one GTX is more than that and it doesn't come with a turbine housing so it brings the price even higher. Multiply that by two and our kit even being in the same ballpark price wise says a lot. Obviously you will never make everyone happy. Nothing wrong with the single kits they perform well, were just trying to do something different.
Well said. Im looking forward to your stage 2 turbos, this is the route ill go when the time comes

My advice: After your stage 1, 2, and 3s are done, make a single-turbo setup priced between 2 and 3. Im sure you could make a killing.
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      11-23-2012, 11:52 AM   #27
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i agree with you but you have to understand that 2 turbos arent cheap
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Agreed spectacula, he obviously doesn't understand what our kit will include in comparison to the singles and still be priced close to the same. I could recreate the single kit on the market and price it $2000 less and still make money. Also don't forget the twin GT option over the GTX's will bring the price down. The retail price for the turbo in the single kit on Precision's site is $999. Thats retail, easily knock 15-20% off that buying in bulk. My cost on one GTX is more than that and it doesn't come with a turbine housing so it brings the price even higher. Multiply that by two and our kit even being in the same ballpark price wise says a lot. Obviously you will never make everyone happy. Nothing wrong with the single kits they perform well, were just trying to do something different.
Listen Tony, I am only stating my personal view. If you do a search you will find that I asked you a rough ballpark for the price before, and back then you said you don't want to provide an estimate as you did not want to get burned as you learned your lesson. Perhaps you were referring to your Stage 1 and 2 kits, I don't know.

Then you hinted that stage 3 would be 'competitively' priced with the singles, for me I took it as slightly cheaper, but obviously I was wrong. The way I see it, you do not need to agree obviously, you are positioning the Vishnu kit as overpriced by $2,000 judging on hardware only. I will leave others to comment. The way I see it, your development is for hardware only.

I am not here to flame, I am just a potential customer, but I think your comments and tone might be getting sideways a little.

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Listen Tony, I am only stating my personal view. If you do a search you will find that I asked you a rough ballpark for the price before, and back then you said you don't want to provide an estimate as you did not want to get burned as you learned your lesson. Perhaps you were referring to your Stage 1 and 2 kits, I don't know.

Then you hinted that stage 3 would be 'competitively' priced with the singles, for me I took it as slightly cheaper, but obviously I was wrong. The way I see it, you do not need to agree obviously, you are positioning the Vishnu kit as overpriced by $2,000 judging on hardware only. I will leave others to comment. The way I see it, your development is for hardware only.

I am not here to flame, I am just a potential customer, but I think your comments and tone might be getting sideways a little.

Cheers man!
Huh, "Competitively" priced and in the "ball park price wise" are the basically same thing said two ways. My tone nor comments were not in any way sideways. I am not saying anything is overpriced at all, thats you saying it. When you are first to market you can really price your kit however you want, because well you are first to market. I simply stated based on the hardware in that kit it could be sold for much less and still be profitable. If you want to take what I am saying and twist it around as everyone on the forums does. That is your choice. I hope everyone had a happy thanksgiving, as I said before you will never make everyone happy, but thats not the goal. The goal is to make great turbo options and price them best as we can.
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Very cool! How much power do you think stage 3 will make?
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Very cool! How much power do you think stage 3 will make?
We will have to wait and see!

I'm eagerly awaiting results
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Huh, "Competitively" priced and in the "ball park price wise" are the basically same thing said two ways. My tone nor comments were not in any way sideways. I am not saying anything is overpriced at all, thats you saying it. When you are first to market you can really price your kit however you want, because well you are first to market. I simply stated based on the hardware in that kit it could be sold for much less and still be profitable. If you want to take what I am saying and twist it around as everyone on the forums does. That is your choice. I hope everyone had a happy thanksgiving, as I said before you will never make everyone happy, but thats not the goal. The goal is to make great turbo options and price them best as we can.
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Very cool! How much power do you think stage 3 will make?
I doubt Tony will want to state a gain/price just yet until its completed and tested. Wouldn't make sense to tell the community now that he'll sell for $2000 less than the single and it'll make 550whp no meth.

There is absolutely too many factors and no data to support these claims. The important thing is that there is progress and clear attempt to try and be fair, while being profitable. Any business has to follow these rules to survive.

I myself am very eager because if I keep my car ill be one of the first Canadian vert's jumping on this =D

Can't wait! I'd finally be able to get rid of my dreaded WG rattle and have power to boot!
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Very cool! How much power do you think stage 3 will make?
I doubt Tony will want to state a gain/price just yet until its completed and tested. Wouldn't make sense to tell the community now that he'll sell for $2000 less than the single and it'll make 550whp no meth.

There is absolutely too many factors and no data to support these claims. The important thing is that there is progress and clear attempt to try and be fair, while being profitable. Any business has to follow these rules to survive.

I myself am very eager because if I keep my car ill be one of the first Canadian vert's jumping on this =D

Can't wait! I'd finally be able to get rid of my dreaded WG rattle and have power to boot!
He never said the Stage 3 option was $2000 less. Read more carefully. He said he could price a singleturbo kit for $2000 less than the current ST vendors and still make money. He stated his Stage 3 twins will be in the same ballpark (price wise) as the leading single turbo option is currently. Bear in mind this includes a complete extra turbo in the kit. Hence, twin turbo

He will post dynos when they are reaching their final stages, im sure. I still think that he should make a single-turbo option between stage 2/3.

As always, looking good Vargas
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Very cool! How much power do you think stage 3 will make?
I doubt Tony will want to state a gain/price just yet until its completed and tested. Wouldn't make sense to tell the community now that he'll sell for $2000 less than the single and it'll make 550whp no meth.

There is absolutely too many factors and no data to support these claims. The important thing is that there is progress and clear attempt to try and be fair, while being profitable. Any business has to follow these rules to survive.

I myself am very eager because if I keep my car ill be one of the first Canadian vert's jumping on this =D

Can't wait! I'd finally be able to get rid of my dreaded WG rattle and have power to boot!
He never said the Stage 3 option was $2000 less. Read more carefully. He said he could price a singleturbo kit for $2000 less than the current ST vendors and still make money. He stated his Stage 3 twins will be in the same ballpark (price wise) as the leading single turbo option is currently. Bear in mind this includes a complete extra turbo in the kit. Hence, twin turbo

He will post dynos when they are reaching their final stages, im sure. I still think that he should make a single-turbo option between stage 2/3.

As always, looking good Vargas
I never specified that he stated "$2000" less than a single, was simply using it as an example.

Ppl here have some reading comprehension issues lol...
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