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      12-12-2013, 05:57 AM   #309
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Monk job should take no longer than 45 minutes taking it easy, the hardest part is to remove the million screws that the car has for the undercover and so on, good luck send me a pm and I will send pics and hopefully video to your email ok but do it before 12 pm this morning my time which is 11am Eastern Standard time ok
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Mmm intercooler.

Still working on the dyno run, just need a date to set it up. I hope this weekend, if not it'll be the next. At the very least I will do a JBD/no JBD run with an IC on, lol.
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I tell ya Im enamored with this IC it looks so clean thats one of the reasons I bought it let alone the ONLY one for our 335d at the time, I tell people I have a bigger IC and they dont believe it until they get close to the grill and then they say whoa!! sweet looking thing even my mechanic praise the craftsmanship and quality of it. you wont regret it Monk!!
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It's fairly light, although I have never held an IC before. If the install is an easy 45mins, I might take my under panels off before the dyno, that way it's a quick swap for the before/after.

I plan to do a close to a scientifically done mpg highway test as I can record.

I am just so tempted to put it on tonight though lol. I'll try to contain myself.
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I believe this IC is actually heavier than the OEM one. Do we have any empirical (real world) data that it in fact works and does what it's supposed to do?
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I believe this IC is actually heavier than the OEM one. Do we have any empirical (real world) data that it in fact works and does what it's supposed to do?
intercoolers are tough to provide real world data on for the normally accepted version (dyno). Dyno's CAN help but really dont anwer the questions usually. Best way to show improvement for an intercooler is a 1/4 mile pass IMO. Before and after datalogs showing any difference in MAF voltage reading and after intercooler IAT is a close second.
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I believe this IC is actually heavier than the OEM one. Do we have any empirical (real world) data that it in fact works and does what it's supposed to do?
intercoolers are tough to provide real world data on for the normally accepted version (dyno). Dyno's CAN help but really dont anwer the questions usually. Best way to show improvement for an intercooler is a 1/4 mile pass IMO. Before and after datalogs showing any difference in MAF voltage reading and after intercooler IAT is a close second.
I was thinking of using my scangauge to test 0-60 times or something like that. I know it's slightly inaccurate, but an improvement is an improvement.
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So I installed the Wagner IC today. Was a bit annoying, and yes there was some trimming I had to do to some piece behind the bumper.

I recorded a MPG run before the install. It was 4miles, with a trip at 65mph, looped back, did a hard pull to 70mph, and cruised at that speed and turned around while waiting at a red light for a few mins. I achieved 29mpg. I did the same thing right after the install, with the same conditions (A/C, engine temp, fuel level) and got 33mpg. I have noticed MPG's were higher at 75mph vs 65mpg.

The stock IC would bring temps at full boost to around 17-20f above ambient, this one does a steady 10f.

I have noticed a slight increase in power above 70mph.

These are my results, take them with a grain of salt if you want. There has been an improvement, although slight, with the install of this IC. I hope heatsoak is nullified now. I cannot tell if it is yet with these low ambient temps though.
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The IC weight is around 40 lbs and IM GLAD SOMEONE else has posted about it and NOT me so there you go guys and IMPROVEMENT on mpg and actual dyno butt torque indicator and when he does the actual dyno
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FWIW, it is much heavier than stock.
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After installing it, yes it is much heavier. Feels about 80% more.
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So I installed the Wagner IC today...
Thanks for posting.

Curious, did you notice any oil in your oem intercooler? Did you try to drain it out and see how much had collected in there? If you had the opportunity to try to measure how much, if any, was collected in there I'd appreciate hearing about it.
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Thanks for posting.

Curious, did you notice any oil in your oem intercooler? Did you try to drain it out and see how much had collected in there? If you had the opportunity to try to measure how much, if any, was collected in there I'd appreciate hearing about it.
There was a minor amount of oil in the OEM IC. I'm guessing it was less than a 1/4 of a cup. I've been having it sit upright in a trashbag for a few days, I will go check and see if any more oil drained.
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I was looking at the site and the shipping was $43 unless you had a code. Anyone know this code for free shipping? I tried the obvious one, FREESHIP. It says invalid. Does the part ship from Germany?
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I was looking at the site and the shipping was $43 unless you had a code. Anyone know this code for free shipping? I tried the obvious one, FREESHIP. It says invalid. Does the part ship from Germany?
It will ship from their US location for you.
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The site is showing $650 + shipping. Does anyone know the code for discount or discounted shipping at least? "If you don't ask, the answer is always no."
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So I installed the Wagner IC today. Was a bit annoying, and yes there was some trimming I had to do to some piece behind the bumper.

I recorded a MPG run before the install. It was 4miles, with a trip at 65mph, looped back, did a hard pull to 70mph, and cruised at that speed and turned around while waiting at a red light for a few mins. I achieved 29mpg. I did the same thing right after the install, with the same conditions (A/C, engine temp, fuel level) and got 33mpg. I have noticed MPG's were higher at 75mph vs 65mpg.

The stock IC would bring temps at full boost to around 17-20f above ambient, this one does a steady 10f.

I have noticed a slight increase in power above 70mph.

These are my results, take them with a grain of salt if you want. There has been an improvement, although slight, with the install of this IC. I hope heatsoak is nullified now. I cannot tell if it is yet with these low ambient temps though.
How hard was it to cut the piece behind the bumper? Wagner site shows:

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The BMW 330d & 335d EVO Intercooler from Wagner Tuning
High Performance Intercooler Core with Turbulators
70% bigger core, exposed Core Volume 12530cm³ Volume (OEM 7293cm³ Volume)
50% bigger frontal area, 1040cm² (OEM 676cm²)
CAD / FEM optimized Aluminum Cast Endtanks, CNC Machined couplers
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No Bumper removal required
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What gives. Maybe Euro models don't need trimming?
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Ok let me clear once and for all WAGNER used 335d wagon as the guinea pig for the ic that could be reason why we had to trim different facia and under carriage
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Ok let me clear once and for all WAGNER used 335d wagon as the guinea pig for the ic that could be reason why we had to trim different facia and under carriage
So then shouldn't he put an * noting that N.American 335d models need trimming of the front bumper?
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What gives. Maybe Euro models don't need trimming?
Cutting was fairly easy. I would use a dremel though to make life easier. A pair of wire cutters were used by me, although it gave kind of a hack job appearance.
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Thanks Monk. How much area is needed to be cut out, roughly speaking?
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I would say 1-2" deep and as wide as the piece itself. I cut until where the fins met the base.
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