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      03-16-2017, 12:29 PM   #1
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Full working NBT Evo ID6 Retrofit? Incl. telematics/ConnectedDrive?

Hey guys,
just wondering if anybody around has a full working NBT Evo ID6 retrofit? Including the whole telematics and subscription-based ConnectedDrive thing?
I got several quotes from bimmerretrofit etc. but none of them include ConnectedDrive. But those services are the main reason for me to retrofit an NBT. Is there any possibility? Would having a telematics module from a donor vehicle an option?
It's not really a matter of price to be, more the fact I don't want a half-working project in my car.
If not, could somebody please explain to why this won't work?
Thanks in advance!
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      03-22-2017, 05:24 PM   #2
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You don't get connected drive services in retrofited ID5/6.
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      03-23-2017, 03:14 PM   #3
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Hey guys,
just wondering if anybody around has a full working NBT Evo ID6 retrofit? Including the whole telematics and subscription-based ConnectedDrive thing?
I got several quotes from bimmerretrofit etc. but none of them include ConnectedDrive. But those services are the main reason for me to retrofit an NBT. Is there any possibility? Would having a telematics module from a donor vehicle an option?
It's not really a matter of price to be, more the fact I don't want a half-working project in my car.
If not, could somebody please explain to why this won't work?
Thanks in advance!
I've retrofitted telematics into a 2007 E93, with NBT, and a TCB, and got everything to work - all the services work, and I was even able to add concierge service.

I don't know if NBT Evo with a ATM works the same, but I suppose that it would. I'll describe what I did.

I used an adapter from Custom Retrofit Garage. It in effect acts as the k-Can1 <-> K-Can2 gateway. The TCB goes where the TCU was, and the only wires I had to run were a FAKRA to the NBT for IP (the ATM does not use FAKRA - you would need to run seperate wires to the EVO, probably twisted pairs), and 3 wires for the MIC, and one twisted pair for K-Can2. Tapped the K-Can2 into K-Can2 at the adapter, and ran MIC to NBT MIC1. All other needed wires were available from existing TCU connection. It was actually very easy.

The TCB I purchased off of Ebay was from a 2016 BMW that had services until 2020. I acquired a FSC repair kit for the TCB donor, and updated the NBT with it. If the NBT FSC's are older than the TCB donor's it's very easy, otherwise you have additional step of viginizing the NBT. So, when done, both the NBT and TCB were using the same VIN as the TCB donor. I was then able to create a ConnectedDrive account with BMW, and register my car.

I don't know why EVO/ATM would be different, so it 'should' work the same.

The only issues I have are, 1) the adapter I have stops transferring K-Can messages as soon as the car goes to sleep, so remote services are not working. I've talked to them, and they are talking about making a firmware version that will continue to gateway messages from K-Can2 to K-Can1, and if they do, then remote services should work. If they don't, I will probably build a simple bridge myself. The only other 'issue' I have, is that I sometimes get a 'SOS Malfunction' message. The SOS button still works, the error has to do with the crash signal. The error is sporadic, and I think it has to do with differences between how often the signal is sent out. I haven't addressed that issue yet.
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      03-28-2017, 01:24 PM   #4
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I've retrofitted telematics into a 2007 E93, with NBT, and a TCB, and got everything to work - all the services work, and I was even able to add concierge service.

I don't know if NBT Evo with a ATM works the same, but I suppose that it would. I'll describe what I did.

I used an adapter from Custom Retrofit Garage. It in effect acts as the k-Can1 <-> K-Can2 gateway. The TCB goes where the TCU was, and the only wires I had to run were a FAKRA to the NBT for IP (the ATM does not use FAKRA - you would need to run seperate wires to the EVO, probably twisted pairs), and 3 wires for the MIC, and one twisted pair for K-Can2. Tapped the K-Can2 into K-Can2 at the adapter, and ran MIC to NBT MIC1. All other needed wires were available from existing TCU connection. It was actually very easy.

The TCB I purchased off of Ebay was from a 2016 BMW that had services until 2020. I acquired a FSC repair kit for the TCB donor, and updated the NBT with it. If the NBT FSC's are older than the TCB donor's it's very easy, otherwise you have additional step of viginizing the NBT. So, when done, both the NBT and TCB were using the same VIN as the TCB donor. I was then able to create a ConnectedDrive account with BMW, and register my car.

I don't know why EVO/ATM would be different, so it 'should' work the same.

The only issues I have are, 1) the adapter I have stops transferring K-Can messages as soon as the car goes to sleep, so remote services are not working. I've talked to them, and they are talking about making a firmware version that will continue to gateway messages from K-Can2 to K-Can1, and if they do, then remote services should work. If they don't, I will probably build a simple bridge myself. The only other 'issue' I have, is that I sometimes get a 'SOS Malfunction' message. The SOS button still works, the error has to do with the crash signal. The error is sporadic, and I think it has to do with differences between how often the signal is sent out. I haven't addressed that issue yet.

Well, thats an answer I was hoping for. I'll continue to do some research on wether this works with an Evo as well. Otherwise the a fully functional NBT might be a nice option as well
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