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11-28-2012, 10:43 AM | #24 |
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One of the only things I like about the PPK was the extra cooling and this does not include it. You are better off with a Jb+ and it takes 1 min to install/uninstall and it's half the cost with a little more power too. You would be able to keep your warranty in tact with proper usage and removal. Turbo's rarely go out, so if you are waiting for them to go out on low to stock boost you might be waiting about 10 years.
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11-28-2012, 12:20 PM | #25 |
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I'm glad how everyone likes to tell other people how to spend money.
I looked at the other tunes. I'm not a "boy racer". A little better throttle response and marginally better performance is what I want. i have read the posts and looked at the chart located here -> http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374508 So I do know what is available. I piggyback isn't acceptable to me so one of the flashes was the only alternative. I didn't want the headache of flashing and re-flashing just to take my car in for service. I know you can install and remove the tunes rather quickly. "I'd" rather not deal with the hassle of removing and installing, even if it only take 10 minutes. Once again, value is subjective. What someone values, someone else may not. It was a post for those that are interested. If you aren't interested, stop trying to tell me how I'm wasting "MY" money. It is mine after all. Sheesh..... |
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If value is not "subjective" to you, then you shouldn't be looking on ebay for DEALS. As everyone has said, you are the only person in this forum that finds this to be a DEAL. Good luck.
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My 07 Charger is modified, 450rwhp, 575+hp with a shot of NOS, top speed 170+mph (speedo has seen 165). I don't need to spend $$$$ in another go-fast toy. Just my .02c. Edit: Heck, my wife's 2012 Charger does 170 mph stock.LOL
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11-29-2012, 09:42 AM | #29 |
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I'm amazed and discouraged by the amount of hatin' going on in this thread. I've seen the pictures of the JB4... lots of wires, pins and ribbon cables. And the time it takes to install/uninstall JB4 keeps magically dropping, from 10 minutes in one post to just 1 minute in a subsequent post.
I'd like to see the one minute JB4 uninstall... How 'bout you shoot an unedited one-take video to prove it? Like me, the OP in is PRC... that's the People's Republic of California for those of you in the middle of the country that don't have to deal with smog inspections every two years. Pulling the piggyback every time you go in for service plus every time you have to do a smog inspection? I'll pass on that hassle. I've got more important things to do with my time like working to earn enough money to keep making the payments and keep up the maintenance on a fairly new 335i and do some mild mods too. Oh, and I want some time left over to enjoy life and actually drive the car on some enjoyable roads instead of spending all my time in my garage. Been there done that. So PPK sofware is a waste of money? Then I guess the 335is is a waste of money too since it uses essentially the same software and produces 320 HP. Don't get me wrong: I'm totally in favor of you guys that are hard-core hot-rodders and are doing intense tunes, full bolt-on mods, upgraded turbos, burning E85. You guys are the pioneers of what's possible with one of these engines. Revel in the fact that you will always win the drag race against the PPK only guys, but don't hate on those that aren't willing to mod that heavily.
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11-29-2012, 11:18 AM | #30 | ||
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Now, 10 minutes is scrambling to get a JB4 installed but a seasoned verteran can probably do it. I'd personally allow for 20 minutes casually installing it, and non veteran could take 30 or more depending on their skill set. It is only 6 wires but it does take some attention to detail. I've installed quite a few piggyback tunes in a local meet and parking lot, so it's really not the end of the world if you had to make a "quick run" to a dealer. The latter scenario is few and far between. On a worst case scenario your car breaks down or you blow your motor, you will be waiting atleast 1hr if not up to 3 hrs for a tow truck, that is plenty of time to remove a 20-30 min tune. Last I checked, most dealers are not ready to take you in right way, my last appointment had to be made a good week in advance to get a loaner car. Of course your specific dealer and area will differ. The point is, the notion of how hard it is to take a tune out on the side of the road is very exaggerated. I've had a lot more complex encounters back in the day with other cars, like literally pulling out a supercharger on the side of a highway. BTW it's not at all necessary to pull a tune for every service, a good rule of thumb is to only a pull a tune for warranty work. In 3 years of ownership of my BMW I only pulled my tune out once. If you are going in for an oil change, all you need to do is set the tune to map 0. Last thing techs want to do on a typical oil change job is waste their time looking for tunes. As a an ex mechanic the last thing I'm going to do is extra work and not get paid for it. It's ok to be cautious and conservative. However, at the end of the day as enthusiast we like to mention options that have more value in them. A lot of new comers are concerned about their warranty and that is understandable. After talking with people who have had these cars and their experiences with dealers for several years, they can tell you what is important to look out for and what isn't. As always, any forum information should be taken with a grain of salt, there are still plenty of misconceptions, misunderstanding and misinformation here too. It's the end users responsibility to take information and gather what is most important to them and further their research outside forums, either through personal experience, or through other channels to come up with a solution that fits their needs. PPK is great for a mild tune, but the real pudding in the PPK is all the cooling benefits, it's not the software. The 335is is also great, it offers DCT, a great feature, but what also makes the 335is better then the 335i is the extra cooling capacity too. The 335is is also the only N54 left nowadays so it's almost a necessity for those wanting the N54 still. That's a subject for a different day though. Quote:
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12-12-2012, 04:05 PM | #31 |
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Just wanted to update.
There were issues flashing my car at the dealer which means no PPK and a refund. Ordering a Cobb AP. I'll post how it goes. Works out to be about the same as the PPK+Install. Removing the Cobb tune removes the codes. |
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12-12-2012, 07:02 PM | #33 |
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PPK stage 1 is worth it - I paid $500 through Tischler. I don't regret it for a minute. And, I do notice a big difference, even now 1 year after install, compared with owning the car for 2 years before install. No problems with either my factory or extended BMW warranty. No problems with my install by a dealer in Canada - BMW sent me a whole new engine computer (couriered from Germany with my VIN encoded) as part of the package. Dealer updated all other s/w for free which fixed a few other things. If you haven't driven it, don't bother to denegrate it.
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LOL. This complete 180 on tune has made me laugh |
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