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      04-22-2013, 08:03 PM   #111
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Oh hell...that's all the way across the states for me....*sighs*
Probably cost you less to ship it there than to deal with all the costs while there in CA. But what do I know. But if you did all the radical stuff in FL, how would your D pass the emissions test in CA?
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Hi Guys,

As requested, we have recently visited the USA and recruited our first USA dealer.

http://www.redlinespeedworx.com/

Having spoken with many interested partners the obvious choice for our first USA dealer was Pat & JR. A wholehearted enthusiasm coupled with excellent experience working with ECU's and exhaust fabrication not to mention their mechanical and diagnostic expertise.

Contact Pat and JR with absolute confidence!
So does te 800 include DPF removal from the programming?
Is EGR also closed off?
Will rsw also be offering DPF removal (plumbing-wise)?
Is there a discount for the first person to purchas & dyno?
Is it possible to remove SCR as well?

Thanks!
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Oh hell...that's all the way across the states for me....*sighs*
Ronin, with a test car for fitment, they could probably fab & ship a pipe. Thereafter, you would just have to ship ECU.
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Probably cost you less to ship it there than to deal with all the costs while there in CA. But what do I know. But if you did all the radical stuff in FL, how would your D pass the emissions test in CA?
California emissions for diesels = visual + ODB scan. That's it.
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all I want is the DOWNPIPE Lenny said he has managed to deprogram the system called him today and left a message to confirm this keep u guys posted
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      04-23-2013, 09:43 AM   #116
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all I want is the DOWNPIPE Lenny said he has managed to deprogram the system called him today and left a message to confirm this keep u guys posted
That's good news, definitely.
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Ron!n he needed a guinea pig for this maybe you can call him arounfd noon time ET and talk to him, but he's in florida
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Maybe he'd be willing to travel for the cause? :P PM me contact info.
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Pmed amigo call him ok!!
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Hi Guys,

As requested, we have recently visited the USA and recruited our first USA dealer.

http://www.redlinespeedworx.com/

Having spoken with many interested partners the obvious choice for our first USA dealer was Pat & JR. A wholehearted enthusiasm coupled with excellent experience working with ECU's and exhaust fabrication not to mention their mechanical and diagnostic expertise.

Contact Pat and JR with absolute confidence!
This is good progress.

How is Ecotune and your US based contract tuner getting around the legality issue? I am sure you and your US based tuner are aware that Edge (a popular US based diesel truck tuner) was recently fined $500k by the EPA, plus $157k is restitution and required to "buy-back" each of the dpf delete tunes they sold?
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Chris i believe that a DISCLAIMER stating that the car will not be used as a daily driver can be ensued to releive JR from being sued by the GESTAPO NAZI Epa
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Chris i believe that a DISCLAIMER stating that the car will not be used as a daily driver can be ensued to releive JR from being sued by the GESTAPO NAZI Epa
Perhaps, fortunately I am not a lawyer.

However given the magnitude of the fines and thus the potential exposure to Ecotune and more readily their local US based contract tuner it is probably advisable they consult with one to ensure how they go about marketing/selling their product will not subject them to the wrath of the EPA.
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Perhaps, fortunately I am not a lawyer.

However given the magnitude of the fines and thus the potential exposure to Ecotune and more readily their local US based contract tuner it is probably advisable they consult with one to ensure how they go about marketing/selling their product will not subject them to the wrath of the EPA.
My guess would be word of mouth, rather than marketing OR advertising.
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Ron1n that would be a great gamble and risk for them, but it can be done but if anything I would have the client sign a DISCLAIMER to cover my ass!!, EPA can not then pursue them cause the client milsead them. . Some guys down here will tint your car BLACk but they will make the owner sign a disclaimer that they were warned that if a ticket is ensued they cannot come after them.
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We strongly encourage, for the long-term health of our industry, that all distributors, dealers and consumers of these or similar products made by other companies cease selling any electronic tuning product that contains the ability to disable any emissions system for late-model diesel trucks including (but not limited to) the DPF system, EGR system and Urea (exhaust fluid) injection. Per federal and state regulations, any registered vehicle is required to maintain its emissions systems unless it is used strictly and solely for racing. Unfortunately, even with the exhaustive, preventive measures we have taken, we do not feel it is possible to completely prevent abuse.

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all I want is the DOWNPIPE Lenny said he has managed to deprogram the system called him today and left a message to confirm this keep u guys posted
Then tell your boy to call me already! What happened?

I may have a shop locally that is known for their custom fab (they are pricey. though) from which we may be able to recruit support.

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Just spent about half an hour on the phone with Lenny. For my situation, he thinks they can do what I'm asking, but without a local car to test what they've got, there's some concern about viability. I'm trying to figure out exactly what has to be done at the dealership in order for the car to run with minimal concern for damage. I'm considering having all the sensors replaced and leaving the DPF as is (they've stated that the DPF is currently clogged...still trying to figure that out, considering it happened in less than 18 hours after picking up my car) until I can get the DPF cored out or have a down pipe fabbed, or picking one up from a company like Ecotune and then just having the coding done here.
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Just spent about half an hour on the phone with Lenny. For my situation, he thinks they can do what I'm asking, but without a local car to test what they've got, there's some concern about viability. I'm trying to figure out exactly what has to be done at the dealership in order for the car to run with minimal concern for damage. I'm considering having all the sensors replaced and leaving the DPF as is (they've stated that the DPF is currently clogged...still trying to figure that out, considering it happened in less than 18 hours after picking up my car) until I can get the DPF cored out or have a down pipe fabbed, or picking one up from a company like Ecotune and then just having the coding done here.
Ronin, do you want me to check with my shop to see if they can fabricate a pipe based on my car then ship to you?
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Ronin, do you want me to check with my shop to see if they can fabricate a pipe based on my car then ship to you?
It can't hurt. I just called Redline and talked to Mark, and he's going to get in touch with Ecotune and see if they can figure out why my car is melting parts, get pricing for the DPF delete, and all that good stuff. Said he'd get back to me in the next day or so.
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Maybe a dumb question, but here it goes....

How would this affect your car if you already have an Evolve or RENNtech tune? Would you have to get them to reflash? What if you plan on getting a tune in the future? I'm lost. Haha
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They'd have to reflash, yes. There are specific parameters that need to be added in order to bypass/let the ECU know that the DPF is no longer there, as well as the sensors that are dependent on information generated by the DPF.
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They'd have to reflash, yes. There are specific parameters that need to be added in order to bypass/let the ECU know that the DPF is no longer there, as well as the sensors that are dependent on information generated by the DPF.
So for the $800 that we would pay for this, is the tuning included? Or would it be a separate charge through someone else? And would the tuning here only modify the downpipe/DPF info?

I am trying to figure out if I can just order the downpipe and install and then have Evolve or RENNtech flash the ECU with this info so that I get performance and DPF bypass.
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