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      12-25-2010, 01:04 PM   #1
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Are Manual Transmission Drivers Better Than Automatic Transmission Drivers?

On the whole, do you think people who drive MT are better overall drivers with more working knowledge of cars? Are they more aware of their surroundings? Are they more likely to have experience driving professionally or taking lessons?
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are you serious? This should be interesting.

FWIW: no.

I believe a greater percentage of driving enthusiasts own manuals. But that doesn't make them better drivers.
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Santa drives a manual. You be the judge. LOL J/K
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Yes. Situational awareness is key, and auto trans is a good start to not paying any f***ing attention to what you're doing while behind the wheel.
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But do people who actually drive a manual for awhile really need to think when they need to shift? It's completely second nature and doesn't mean they are paying more attention to the road because they have to shift themselves.
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      12-25-2010, 01:32 PM   #7
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well, what percentage of manual drivers think they are actually good at driving manual? what percentage of manual drivers can objectively judge this themselves?
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well, what percentage of manual drivers think they are actually good at driving manual? what percentage of manual drivers can objectively judge this themselves?
100% and 0%
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haha. exactly. except me, of course.
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It must really hurt the feelings of the manuals are better crowd that no
professional drivers can get better performance numbers out of modern manuals vs modern automatics.

so.now the argument has switched to manual drivers are better drivers? What does that even mean?

"well, we can't actually make these cars perform better, but we are better drivers!". That is the dumbest syllogism ever.
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I drive manuals because I like feeling connected to the car. Automatics are nice, shift well, faster than I can, but I enjoy the connection I have with the car when i'm shifting. I've had one auto, great for commuting, but other than enjoying it during commute time I found myself bored and looking for something to do.
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haha. exactly. except me, of course.
Of course! You and me both! But we're such a small percentage that I just rounded down.
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But do people who actually drive a manual for awhile really need to think when they need to shift? It's completely second nature and doesn't mean they are paying more attention to the road because they have to shift themselves.
+1, that's the key element right there. I've been driving manuals for ~15 years and just now got an automatic. Of course you consider your shifts in a manual when you are driving briskly, but in everyday driving shifting is pretty much down to muscle reflexes.

And lets please end this pointless thread...
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I'll end this conversation now: Internal combustion is dead, gearboxes are dead, clutches are dead, two-ton personal conveyances are dead. This is nineteenth-century technology—whoever wants to be the best at operating it is racing to the bottom of the barrel.
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I'll end this conversation now: Internal combustion is dead, gearboxes are dead, clutches are dead, two-ton personal conveyances are dead. This is nineteenth-century technology—whoever wants to be the best at operating it is racing to the bottom of the barrel.
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If it was the case 10 years ago, it is no longer true.

Say hello to Porsche 911 Turbo 2011 with PDK transmission that allows it to book 0-60mph in 2.6s!!!

And of course, you can control the engine RPM as much you want, like modern manumatics.

RIP 3rd pedal.
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I drive manuals because I like feeling connected to the car. Automatics are nice, shift well, faster than I can, but I enjoy the connection I have with the car when i'm shifting. I've had one auto, great for commuting, but other than enjoying it during commute time I found myself bored and looking for something to do.
Yes, this is a fair and honest perspective. I also have an '04 z4 3.0si which is a weekend fun mobile. You support my claim that this really has just become a matter of "feeling(sic -s)".

The original poster set me off a little because he proclaimed himself an expert by denigrating automatics; specifically, STEP as a "pieceofshit".

That stupidtalk snnoys me and I called him out on it and he clammed up.


Whatever.
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How many times do we have to have this stupid debate? It's just a friggin transmission. It does not determine your place in life, how good or bad of a driver you are or any other friggin thing other than the transmission you chose when you bought your car. It is just a transmission, get over it!!
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