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      08-17-2014, 04:11 AM   #1
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328i vs 335i: Better HAndling/Cornering of the Two?

I have the 328xi and I am thinking "maybe" getting a 335xi for the extra power. Then I read this article:

the 328i and the 335i have more or less the same suspension. Meaning that when the 335i really gets cooking, its struts and springs have to deal with more forces than the less quick 328i produces. Along the same deserted road I found myself having to brake mid-turn in the 335i where minutes earlier in the 328i I just drove on through. In the 335i I was simply carrying too much speed for the corner. Did BMW correct for the extra pounds over the front wheels? They’re German so, yes, of course they did. But they didn’t do enough, as the 328i is the better balanced of the two.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/total-vi...35i-21501.html

So my question is: the 328i sport vs 335i sport... is the engine too heavy in the 335i to handle and corner as well as the 328i???

This is only for the V6 engines... not when they changed I think a year or two ago... anyone had the comparison themselves?
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      08-17-2014, 04:25 AM   #2
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BMW and v6 don't go together in the same sentence but the 328 does have like 200lbs on the 335i and from what I remember on bmwusa, when the e92 models were still on the page, the 328 weight distribution was 50.xx in the front and 49.xx in the rear. The 335 was 53.xx in the front and 46.xx in the rear.
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Stock for stock I didn't think the 328 would have any more weight than the 335 unless you're talking XDrive added to the 328, but stats are stats I guess.

As far as handling, I imagine both will handle equally well, depending upon the setup. One thing to keep in mind is the 335 does come with a larger wheels than the 328 bone stock.

The only difference I can foresee is the 335 stopping faster due to its larger brake setup.
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Give and take they are remotely the same.
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I have both (my 335i, girlfriends 328i), the 335 definitely feels heavier on the front in the corners and has more of a tendency to push. That said, the additional power of the 35i makes up for the difference in handling, to me.
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I have the 328xi and I am thinking "maybe" getting a 335xi for the extra power. Then I read this article:

the 328i and the 335i have more or less the same suspension. Meaning that when the 335i really gets cooking, its struts and springs have to deal with more forces than the less quick 328i produces. Along the same deserted road I found myself having to brake mid-turn in the 335i where minutes earlier in the 328i I just drove on through. In the 335i I was simply carrying too much speed for the corner. Did BMW correct for the extra pounds over the front wheels? Theyre German so, yes, of course they did. But they didnt do enough, as the 328i is the better balanced of the two.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/total-vi...35i-21501.html

So my question is: the 328i sport vs 335i sport... is the engine too heavy in the 335i to handle and corner as well as the 328i???

This is only for the V6 engines... not when they changed I think a year or two ago... anyone had the comparison themselves?
The article refers to the F30 not E9X series. 328 F30 is 4-cylinder, compared to 6 for 335. There the weight difference is much greater, and rumors have very similar lap times for both - 335 faster on straights, 328 faster around the corners.

For E90, you will definitely need to brake more in 335 - due to higher speeds when reaching the corner, but that doesn't mean the handling is worse, only that you're traveling faster.

If lack of braking into a corner is an indicator of good handling, then my lawn tractor far out handles my 328.
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      08-17-2014, 11:01 AM   #7
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BMW and v6 don't go together in the same sentence but the 328 does have like 200lbs on the 335i and from what I remember on bmwusa, when the e92 models were still on the page, the 328 weight distribution was 50.xx in the front and 49.xx in the rear. The 335 was 53.xx in the front and 46.xx in the rear.
Motortrend put a F30 328 and E90 335i on a rig and the they showed the 335i had 50.5% on the front end. I doubt there is any difference between the E90 and E92 but 53% doesn't sound accurate.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/a-tale-...-so-different/

I can't find anything solid on the 335xi though.
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Another E90 post in the same realm->http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=774352
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In my opinion, the 328i handles slightly better spec for spec because it has less weight over the nose. Driving the cars back to back (I have a 328i M-Sport and a 335i M-Sport), the steering is lighter and turn in is more convincing. In stock M-Sport form, the 328i understeers more reluctantly than the 335i probably due to having less weight.

However, the difference is not huge and both handle very well.

Same thing was true of the E30 318is/M3 and the 325is, and the E46 330i versus the M3. While the M3 was the better handling car overall, having less weight over the nose is a noticeable advantage of the 330i.
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Ya I mean the E90's stock for stocks. I have the base model 328xi and was thinking of a 335xi (winter) so I was wondering mostly about the general feel in the corners overall. Obviously the sport editition or suspension upgrade would be better, but I was thinking should I give up cornering for more speed? That's the main thing since it's nice to corner on country roads where I may not need th ebigger engine... but I am mostly concerned about cornering... thanks!
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Ya I mean the E90's stock for stocks. I have the base model 328xi and was thinking of a 335xi (winter) so I was wondering mostly about the general feel in the corners overall. Obviously the sport editition or suspension upgrade would be better, but I was thinking should I give up cornering for more speed? That's the main thing since it's nice to corner on country roads where I may not need th ebigger engine... but I am mostly concerned about cornering... thanks!
You aren't giving up enough to offset the difference in power, especially with the xi, jmo. Especially if you find an '11 with that glorious N55 exhaust note

How hard do you drive? If the answer is not too hard, then the biggest thing you'll probably notice is slightly heavier steering in the 335i.
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I have the 328xi and I am thinking "maybe" getting a 335xi for the extra power. Then I read this article:

the 328i and the 335i have more or less the same suspension. Meaning that when the 335i really gets cooking, its struts and springs have to deal with more forces than the less quick 328i produces. Along the same deserted road I found myself having to brake mid-turn in the 335i where minutes earlier in the 328i I just drove on through. In the 335i I was simply carrying too much speed for the corner. Did BMW correct for the extra pounds over the front wheels? Theyre German so, yes, of course they did. But they didnt do enough, as the 328i is the better balanced of the two.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/total-vi...35i-21501.html

So my question is: the 328i sport vs 335i sport... is the engine too heavy in the 335i to handle and corner as well as the 328i???

This is only for the V6 engines... not when they changed I think a year or two ago... anyone had the comparison themselves?
The article refers to the F30 not E9X series. 328 F30 is 4-cylinder, compared to 6 for 335. There the weight difference is much greater, and rumors have very similar lap times for both - 335 faster on straights, 328 faster around the corners.

For E90, you will definitely need to brake more in 335 - due to higher speeds when reaching the corner, but that doesn't mean the handling is worse, only that you're traveling faster.

If lack of braking into a corner is an indicator of good handling, then my lawn tractor far out handles my 328.
+1. When you are on curvy roads, you will be carrying more speed in the 335i as you approach a turn, hence the need to brake more than when driving a 328i. I have owned both and driven them extensively on curvy roads, and the main difference is how much pace the 335i picks up between turns. When turning, they are about the same.
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      08-17-2014, 09:59 PM   #13
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Another thing to consider is the fact that neither vehicle will have sports suspension if you do go with xdrive.
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You aren't giving up enough to offset the difference in power, especially with the xi, jmo. Especially if you find an '11 with that glorious N55 exhaust note

How hard do you drive? If the answer is not too hard, then the biggest thing you'll probably notice is slightly heavier steering in the 335i.
The 328 and 335 have the exact same steering setup.
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From what I've been hearing, BMW are known for their 50/50 distribution, that's what making them "The Ultimate Driving Machine" What's this 53% I'm hearing?
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From what I've been hearing, BMW are known for their 50/50 distribution, that's what making them "The Ultimate Driving Machine" What's this 53% I'm hearing?
The 335i is nose heavy and while its close, it does not have perfect 50/50 weight distribution.
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From what I've been hearing, BMW are known for their 50/50 distribution, that's what making them "The Ultimate Driving Machine" What's this 53% I'm hearing?
Disregarding the fact that a 50/50 weight distribution is NOT necessarily optimal, I have no idea who made up that 53/47 figure. The real numbers are 51.4/48.6 for the automatic.

Reference: http://www.alltuner.com/2009-bmw-335i-coupe-6at-specs/
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      08-18-2014, 12:21 PM   #18
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here is my e90 328i weight result at TA truck stop 20lb+/- accuracy
car is base mt + ZSP

3305lb with 3/4 tank of gas, no driver.

roughly 200lb less then 335i(base mt) and most 335i are loaded with option.
will definitely affect the handling.

Also ESS is making supercharging kit will give you around 320-350hp and you get to keep fantastic
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I had my E90 328i on the scale last week - 3500lbs with me in it, including some stuff (about 15lbs worth or so) and I'm 150lbs on my own. Car had a half a tank of gas.

Weight was rear biased, 1730Front 1770Rear I believe.
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The 328 and 335 have the exact same steering setup.
... and there's far more weight over the nose of the 335i, causing the steering to feel heavier. I didn't say anything to the contrary.
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Disregarding the fact that a 50/50 weight distribution is NOT necessarily optimal, I have no idea who made up that 53/47 figure. The real numbers are 51.4/48.6 for the automatic.

Reference: http://www.alltuner.com/2009-bmw-335i-coupe-6at-specs/
From another post elsewhere:

328i sedan: MT: 50.5/49.5%; AT: 51.1/48.9%
335i sedan: MT: 50.9/49.1%; AT: 51.1/48.9%

The weight distribution difference is negligible.
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... and there's far more weight over the nose of the 335i, causing the steering to feel heavier. I didn't say anything to the contrary.
>Implying that you can even feel a difference. You sure you didn't test a non sport package 328? Just like the handling, there is no real difference in steering feel between the two. I don't know what your definition of far more weight is, but the difference is really quite miniscule in a car.

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