[magic77]

Well its pretty much a done deal Cooper SD All 4 questions is any suggestions on lease or pcp deals and any good sources.

Have few dealership chains in area so will tender to them but as it seems number of you guys have some good sources (Andrew) any suggestions.

thanks

[peterg1965]

I just cancelled the order for mine.

[magic77]

Was that due to the poor residual on your current one

[ian_m]

www.uk-car-discount.co.uk/;
arval; nationwidevehiclecontracts.co.uk/; broadspeed are just a few suggestions

www.new-car-discount.com/ - the chap lives in the same village and have had cars from him before including a current car

i just found the cheapest, printed the spec off, gave it to the dealer and they matched it. I think it was arval when i Contract Hired the 330d, alphabet (bmw) matched it £/£.

i assume this is what you meant??

[peterg1965]

Originally Posted by magic77

Was that due to the poor residual on your current one

That was part of the reason.

[magic77]

thanks its either this or a B-class CDI200 Sport as I think it will work out on figures alone seeing merc tommorow will see

[peterg1965]

Magic, did you see this point I made in the other Mini thread? I would certainly urge caution against buying a Countyrman at that price.

Originally Posted by magic77

hmm kind a ma|kes me worried about buying the countryman now. Saw a lovely All 4 Cooper SD today ex demo fully loaded sods all only option it didnt have is one I wanted "heated windscreen" but every other one was there.

Up for 26K I wonder what I can get them down to

Originally Posted by peterg1965

Here is the reason you should NOT buy that Countryman ALL 4 SD.

http://www.minicherished.co.uk/miniu...sultsOrder=5_0

An 8 month old ALL4 SD 5000 mile and yours for £18.5K. This means that this car is probably worth max £17K as a trade in. OK, it doesnt have many options, but we all know options add nothing to the value of your car come trade in. So, if you bought the ex demo £26K Countryman, even for a 'bargain' £24K, you would still lose an instantaneous £7K on a used car.

Do I sound bitter and twisted? Minis are overpriced and this thread bears testament to that. They are great cars but.......

[magic77]

Thanks Peter that mini if was auto would be ideal. Certainly agree in regards to options.

THis car we looked at

http://www.minicherished.co.uk/miniu...sultsOrder=7_0

Was 33k now dropped 7k since July but only thing it hasn't got is Towbar and heated windscreen .

If I could get them down to say 22 then it makes possible sense. Got a drive booked in a B200CDI Auto new one which is similar priced. These seem to be going well for values so might be an option, otherwise doh

[peterg1965]

£33K obscene amount for a Mini.

The one you are looking at is 6 months old, I know its an ex demo and hard to value but here is the CAP valuation....(with all the extras added as well). So, you drive it away its worth £18K tops if you have to bail out very quickly. I would be paying no more than £20K for it.

MINI
COUNTRYMAN DIESEL HATCHBACK 2.0 Cooper S D ALL4 5dr Auto (ID:51067) RF12FWEValuation Reference:QWDS-PAQY-DM7J
Mileage:5000 (09/01/2013)
Date of Registration:20/07/2012
VIN:WMW*******733
Colour:BLACK
Valuations
Trade In Clean£17,250 -
£18,400Trade In Average£16,500 -
£17,650
Trade In Below£15,750 -
£16,800

[magic77]

Wow that is scary.

Considering it has bar about two ticks every options ticked that is heck of a drop in since July

I was thinking max £22 inc Road Tax and Service Pack but seeing your figures will mean a bit of a challenge at the dealer I think.

When you consider I saw the same model standard at £420 inv VAT on lease with only £2k down at start their deal is becoming expensive.

Thanks for that leaves a lot to think about any ideas what B-class values are like.

Looking at this one today
http://used.mercedes-benz.co.uk/used...r-sale-hy12hvr


Can I ask where do you go to get the CAP valuations wouldn't mind doing it on my current car

[peterg1965]

Here's that MERC, doesnt seem to be taking the piss too much:

MERCEDES-BENZ
B CLASS DIESEL HATCHBACK B200 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY Sport 5dr Auto (ID:53550) HY12HVRValuation Reference5UN-4QHF-E2U4
Mileage:4300 (09/01/2013)
Date of Registration:March 2012
VIN:WDD*******084
Colour:BLUE
Valuations
Trade In Clean£19,650 -
£20,950
Trade In Average£18,800 -
£20,100
Trade In Below£17,900 -
£19,150


The CAP link is on the Ford wesbite. Go to car configurator, select a car to configure and on the right hand side there is a box for finance. Inside the box is the link to 'value my car' and it takes you straight to the free CAP valuation site.

[davyk31]

We're all off to the Ford website to run some valuations :-)

As regards the Countryman, once you go above Cooper D All 4 model you are really into niche markets with pretty low demand which will reflect in the values sadly.

[magic77]

thanks will have a look putting it out there what would you go for CDI200 Sport or SDAll4 or SDFWD MINI

[peterg1965]

Originally Posted by magic77

thanks will have a look putting it out there what would you go for CDI200 Sport or SDAll4 or SDFWD MINI

Dont know what I would do. I know little about B Class Mercs, but MB in general are not excatly known for holding their value either. The Countryman is a great car, I was really impressed with it but I think the trick is not to buy new and to buy nearly new at the appropriate discounted price. You will also be stung heavily on the finance rate if buying used on HP/PCP from a Mini dealer, particularly compared to buying brand new.

You could make an offer of £20K on that Countryman and walk away and wait for the phone to ring, but they will probably sneer at you as it owes them a considerable amount more and no doubt some mug punter will come in and end up paying close to the asking price and pay for finance at 10% APR.

[magic77]

Well its worth a try Jan is always a hard month post xmas

[davyk31]

Have you considered the new Mk7 Golf, saw one at a dealers last night and looked a pretty classy car. Expensive yes but generally decent residuals.

[magic77]

Thought of the golf but it has the same problems as the Focus back space is limited. Especially with me in the front

Once the kids are out of the seats into boosters then possibly but for now there is just not enough room between the back of seats and front of the rear bench for their feet when up on the car seat in Golf or Focus. Hit the same problem with 1 series.

[magic77]

well after all that wife drove the B200 CDI auto (DCT 7 speed) and prefers that. Not bad choice really. Looking at values 1 year old one comes up with part ex CAP at 21k for list price of about 25k thats not bad IMO I think the fact they are on 6 month order wait helps the values

[fulcrum]

[quote=davyk31;13278005]We're all off to the Ford website to run some valuations :-)

I wish i had not!

[Palmnuts]

Originally Posted by peterg1965

Dont know what I would do. I know little about B Class Mercs, but MB in general are not excatly known for holding their value either.

Nothing new does these days....unless it's an Evoque

My theory when buying a new car is that it has to have manufacturer AND dealer support....so, a combination of ALL of the following:

Cheap finance (no more than 5-6% APR)
5-10% manufacturer supported deposit contribution
5-10% dealer contribution

It won't remove the depreciation (far from it) but it will greatly reduce the hit, especially if you buy a brand that holds it's value better than others (so all the German makes basically). If it's on a heavier depreciating brand then double the percentages above!

I think Peters suggested £20k is a very cheeky bid (no harm in trying though) but realistically, the price will end up being low-mid £20k's at best if you walk in (obviously) ready to do a deal.

[magic77]

Doing a CAP on the B comes in right now around 19.5 to 20.5k. Its car they sold and bought back 9 months later as client went to E class. So should have plenty of room in it.

With list price of what it is will go in with 21k offer and let them work on it. Others will come in as well and its Jan so you never know. Going for new would have been the choice but cant wait 6 months for the car to show up