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      08-23-2007, 12:33 PM   #67
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So did Allah make a mistake?
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...Even if Jesus DIDNT exist (which he did), then dialogue between faiths is still a good thing. It helps us learn more about eachother and understand eachother's faiths.
Pardon my analogy, but "the dialogue between faiths" is kinda like a conversation between a paranoiac and scisophrenic. Both live in their own imaginary universe and will never come to an agreement other than maybe recognizing that they are equally "not well." I am not antagonstic to religious people, just feel sorry for them.
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Pardon my analogy, but "the dialogue between faiths" is kinda like a conversation between a paranoiac and scisophrenic. Both live in their own imaginary universe and will never come to an agreement other than maybe recognizing that they are equally "not well." I am not antagonstic to religious people, just feel sorry for them.
Well, then, thank you for your pity...
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Well, then, thank you for your pity...
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A mistake in that his creation is weak.
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A mistake in that his creation is weak.
No.

He said to the Angels that "I know what ye do not know". He had a plan of giving us Prophets, Books & clear signs. These would guide us to the right path and IF anyone should go on the wrong path and seek forgiveness and change their ways, Allah would forgive them. It's really that simple. Allah created us to exercise his ability to forgive.
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I believe God DID make humanity perfect a la Adam and Eve. It was their sins and therefor their bloodline that has forever tarnished human history and enslaved humanity to sin.

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I believe God DID make humanity percect a la Adam and Eve. It was their sins and therefor their bloodline that has forever tarnished human history and enslaved humanity to sin.
If they were perfect how can they sin? I dont think we really are enslaved to sin. We are enslaved to God. Sin is just another creation of God, how can we be enslaved to it when GOD is our creator? We do have a nature to sin though. That is what is meant by "Man was created weak"
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I believe God DID make humanity perfect a la Adam and Eve. It was their sins and therefor their bloodline that has forever tarnished human history and enslaved humanity to sin.
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If they were perfect how can they sin? I dont think we really are enslaved to sin. We are enslaved to God. Sin is just another creation of God, how can we be enslaved to it when GOD is our creator? We do have a nature to sin though. That is what is meant by "Man was created weak"
God Did create Adam and Eve perfect but He also gave them the gift of free will and therefore they made a choice that ultimately cursed humanity ....until Jesus gave His Life so that we could Live. Just like you can choose to serve your god or not to serve him. It's a choice.

Sin was not created by God, it was created by Lucifer. Lucifer also had the gift of free will and chose to disobey God by trying to exhault himself above the Most High and got punished for his sin, except he can't be redeemed.
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God Did create Adam and Eve perfect but He also gave them the gift of free will and therefore they made a choice that ultimately cursed humanity ....until Jesus gave His Life so that we could Live. Just like you can choose to serve your god or not to serve him. It's a choice.

Sin was not created by God, it was created by Lucifer. Lucifer also had the gift of free will and chose to disobey God by trying to exhault himself above the Most High and got punished for his sin, except he can't be redeemed.
If they were perfect and had free-will, they would NEVER use it to sin. Anyway, the Bible makes it clear that a father cant be blamed for his son and vice-versa. The Bible also says "The soul that sins is the very one that will die". How can one sin curse the whole of humanity before these people have the ability to make their own good/bad choices in life.

Also, I still think God created sin. He created everything. Sin is just a concept. It is the opposite of doing good. God created these parameters to TEST us.
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I believe God DID make humanity perfect a la Adam and Eve. It was their sins and therefor their bloodline that has forever tarnished human history and enslaved humanity to sin.

You have to be kidding me!

So - God is punishing all of Adam & Eve's family because Adam and Eve decided to shag?

That is just soooo wrong. Supposed you shagged someone and got her pregnant & I was God. Does that mean that I punish the kid? No - if I was God I would tell you to use protection - However, if I was an Evil God then I would punish the kid.

God is messed up.... This is clearly a case of injustice.
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YES, Jesus died for the sins of the world, even yours hks786.

I find it strange that a Muslim would feign "respect," for Christians in his first post, when your entire thread is intentionally posing rhetorical questions again and again, all designed just so you can throw stones at the Diety of our Christian Saviour, the sacrificial love of God's Only Begotten Son, the truth of the our Christian Bible, and the precious blood atonement of our Christian doctrine.

With all due "respect," you are no more interested in the truth of the Christian message than the man on the moon. You strike me as a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that is not looking good considering what your Muslim brothers are doing around the world. No matter how much you dress it up, the sin of unbelief is still a horrible sin, especially when it is used to try and decieve others. The Holy Bible states clearly, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

Anyone who wants to know the truth about Jesus; please don't waste your time with intelligent, yet decieved unbelievers who "respectfully" try to convince you that Jesus was a liar and that His great sacrifice was a waste. I will not debate on this forum or answer rhetorical questions, if you really want to know the truth about Jesus, PM me and I will try my best to help you. The links below will show you a brief outline of real Bibllcal salvation by the gift of God's grace, (not works or religion), the last one will show you what "respectful" Muslims are doing to Christians all around the world. God bless, and I leave you with the promise of the Saviour...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16-17

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I cannot believe your nerve. You dont reply to anything I say and put it down as "rhetorical" and then when I ask other Christian brothers questions, you claim I'm being rhetorical again! I assure you that I am asking questions that I genuinly want to know answers to!

Now look, you do the exact same as you done before. I could post a thousand more articles about people converting to Islam. Will I do so? NO. It doesnt prove anything!

Edit: I'm NOT trying to say Jesus is a liar. I am trying to say his original teachings have been corrupted. This is my personal view. If this offends Christian brothers then I am truly sorry...
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Hey FloridaBoy!!

It's me - the agnostic with a soul that you have judged to be 'wretched'.

How you doin'??

Just wanted to let you know that God is an unjust God. He allowed Noah to punish Canaan and his kids for what Ham saw. He also punished all humankind because Adam & Eve had sex.

I am willing to give his kid the benefit of the doubt because unlike God I am not going to blame his kid for the "sins of the father". However, his kid is a bit of a troublemaker....
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That wasn't very nice of God's kid.... The kiddo is a wee bit intolerant too? eh?
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i misunderstood...thought by saying "christian brothers" that you were christian?
i didnt spend the time to read through all the gibberish....
anyways good luck in looking for answers that all fall into faith...

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i misunderstood...thought by saying "christian brothers" that you were christian?
i didnt spend the time to read through all the gibberish....
anyways good luck in looking for answers that all fall into faith...

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Ah, sorry. I call you brothers too because I believe we are all brothers in every sense of the word. We all came from the same 2 people...
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HKS, you can use a nice new sig: "A muslim wolf in christian sheep's clothing"
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HKS, you can use a nice new sig: "A muslim wolf in christian sheep's clothing"
Honestly, if this wasnt about something as serious as religion I'd laugh at his accusations. I just cant believe he puts my questions down as rhetorical. If they were rhetorical I'm sure I'd admit it by now but I'm still still here and I still seek answers...*sigh*
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You've said that you have not had your questions to Christians answered. Could you restate them again in this thread?
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You've said that you have not had your questions to Christians answered. Could you restate them again in this thread?
Will do bro. cant do it right now though, it's 1am here lol, I will do it for you though tomorrow morning, take care.
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Will do bro. cant do it right now though, it's 1am here lol, I will do it for you though tomorrow morning, take care.
You too. Talk to you tomorrow.
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YES, Jesus died for the sins of the world, even yours hks786.

I find it strange that a Muslim would feign "respect," for Christians in his first post, when your entire thread is intentionally posing rhetorical questions again and again, all designed just so you can throw stones at the Diety of our Christian Saviour, the sacrificial love of God's Only Begotten Son, the truth of the our Christian Bible, and the precious blood atonement of our Christian doctrine.

With all due "respect," you are no more interested in the truth of the Christian message than the man on the moon. You strike me as a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that is not looking good considering what your Muslim brothers are doing around the world. No matter how much you dress it up, the sin of unbelief is still a horrible sin, especially when it is used to try and decieve others. The Holy Bible states clearly, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

Anyone who wants to know the truth about Jesus; please don't waste your time with intelligent, yet decieved unbelievers who "respectfully" try to convince you that Jesus was a liar and that His great sacrifice was a waste. I will not debate on this forum or answer rhetorical questions, if you really want to know the truth about Jesus, PM me and I will try my best to help you. The links below will show you a brief outline of real Bibllcal salvation by the gift of God's grace, (not works or religion), the last one will show you what "respectful" Muslims are doing to Christians all around the world. God bless, and I leave you with the promise of the Saviour...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16-17

And His solemn warnings...

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matthew 7:15-20

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God's simple plan for your salvation:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/howtobesaved.htm

Biblical Truth compared to Islam:
http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html

The intolerant fruit of global Islam:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...inst_chri.html
Way to lay it down BRA way to go i totally agree no need to waste time in this thread! Peace!!
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