E90Post
 


Bimmertech
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > Cosmetic and Lighting Modifications (exterior/interior) > New boy - New aftermarket headlights...



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-29-2010, 07:43 AM   #1
HertsE93
New Member
 
Drives: 320I E93
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hemel Hempstead

Posts: 10
iTrader: (0)

New boy - New aftermarket headlights...

Hi all

I've used this site on numerous occasions to help in my quest to find my perfect E90, so thank you for that.

Well i've just bought a 320D M Sport and am very pleased.

The car had standard halogen headlights, so i took the leap and purchased some of these black halo projector style headlights and i'm very impressed, would appreciate any comments.

Cheers


Last edited by HertsE93; 08-30-2010 at 10:04 AM.
HertsE93 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 08:04 AM   #2
E92K.C10
Brigadier General
 
E92K.C10's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 320D M-Sport Highline
Join Date: May 2010
Location: West Midlands

Posts: 3,608
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Those angel eyes look really good nice car
__________________
E92 320D M-Sport Highline 2009/10: Bluetooth, Sun Protection Glass, Heated Electric Seats, Black Dakota Leather, Brushed Aluminum Trim, PDC, 225M Alloys, Sapphire Black Metallic.
E92K.C10 is offline   England
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 08:47 AM   #3
ciomas
Captain
 
ciomas's Avatar
 
Drives: M4 Soon
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: 3city PL

Posts: 667
iTrader: (0)

welcome to the forum! these look quite good
ciomas is offline   Poland
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 09:16 AM   #4
cb1111
I ask the questions you're afraid to ask.
 
cb1111's Avatar
 
Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: DC

Posts: 2,489
iTrader: (2)

Have you been through MOT with that lighting setup yet?
cb1111 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 09:26 AM   #5
HertsE93
New Member
 
Drives: 320I E93
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hemel Hempstead

Posts: 10
iTrader: (0)

Hi, only got the car last weekend. So no to the MOT, but these are 'supposedly' UK etc lights, so hopefully won't be a problem.
HertsE93 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 09:51 AM   #6
cb1111
I ask the questions you're afraid to ask.
 
cb1111's Avatar
 
Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: DC

Posts: 2,489
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 320dmsport View Post
Hi, only got the car last weekend. So no to the MOT, but these are 'supposedly' UK etc lights, so hopefully won't be a problem.
You might want to check now while you still have recourse against the seller. While I don't know about the UK, I do know that there are no aftermarket headlighting units for BMW that meet US or EU requirements.

I remember the MOT when I was in the UK in the mid to late 80's and I remember them paying close attention to lights.
cb1111 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 10:20 AM   #7
OlivaresAnthony
Colonel
 
OlivaresAnthony's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: San Diego, CA

Posts: 2,092
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2006 325i  [5.00]
2007 335i  [0.00]
Congrats and welcome
__________________
E90 325i|Sparkling Graphite Metallic|Steptronic|Black Leatherette/Dark Burl Interior|OEM Alarm|35%Front/5%Rear Tint|RD LED License Plate Lights|Rear Fogs Activated|Debadged|Smoked Sidemarkers|Blacklines|Depo P90v2|Matte Black Grille|BMS PBX|AFE Drop In|Charcoal Filter Delete|Air Scoops|19" Avant Garde M310|Continental DWS|M3 Lip Spoiler
OlivaresAnthony is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 10:28 AM   #8
HertsE93
New Member
 
Drives: 320I E93
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hemel Hempstead

Posts: 10
iTrader: (0)

They have the E mark on the lens and that is suppose to mean they are completely here in the UK, may just take them to an MOT tester next week to confirm...
HertsE93 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 10:29 AM   #9
HertsE93
New Member
 
Drives: 320I E93
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hemel Hempstead

Posts: 10
iTrader: (0)

Have a read, this is the item description;


BMW 3 Series E90 4 Door 2005> Black Twin Angel Eye Headlights

Upgrade your vehicle headlights with these stunning angel eye headlights

These lights are projector type headlight, giving you a much better light output

All wiring included, along with a free set of dipped, main beam and indicator bulbs

For safety reasons we recommend the these ligths are fitted and adjusted by a professional

These headlights are fully E Marked and comply with both UK and Europian regulations

All lights come with a full 12 month manufacturers warranty, please see our Returns Policy for full details

Last edited by HertsE93; 08-29-2010 at 10:50 AM.
HertsE93 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 01:47 PM   #10
cb1111
I ask the questions you're afraid to ask.
 
cb1111's Avatar
 
Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: DC

Posts: 2,489
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 320dmsport View Post
Have a read, this is the item description;


BMW 3 Series E90 4 Door 2005> Black Twin Angel Eye Headlights

Upgrade your vehicle headlights with these stunning angel eye headlights

These lights are projector type headlight, giving you a much better light output

All wiring included, along with a free set of dipped, main beam and indicator bulbs

For safety reasons we recommend the these ligths are fitted and adjusted by a professional

These headlights are fully E Marked and comply with both UK and Europian regulations

All lights come with a full 12 month manufacturers warranty, please see our Returns Policy for full details
Is that a cut-n-paste or did you re-type it? If a cut-n-paste I'd be worried and can guarantee you that although they might have the markings they don't comply.

One requirement is a 24 month weathering test of the enclosure. From the English used, these appear to be Chinese and no Chinese aftermarket supplier has ever completed that test.

They do look nice though
cb1111 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 02:40 PM   #11
Oulixes
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Oulixes's Avatar
 
Drives: 330xi, 335i
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Terra Borealis

Posts: 1,941
iTrader: (0)

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the car.
Oulixes is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 02:42 PM   #12
booner335
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2007 335i coupe
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: charlotte, nc

Posts: 47
iTrader: (1)

that looks awesome
booner335 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 03:12 PM   #13
wass876@yahoo.co.uk
Registered
 
Drives: 335d
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: bham

Posts: 1
iTrader: (0)

.
wass876@yahoo.co.uk is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 03:14 PM   #14
HertsE93
New Member
 
Drives: 320I E93
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hemel Hempstead

Posts: 10
iTrader: (0)

Yea, it was just a cut and paste and i'm pretty sure these are Chinese...
HertsE93 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      08-29-2010, 05:43 PM   #15
cb1111
I ask the questions you're afraid to ask.
 
cb1111's Avatar
 
Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: DC

Posts: 2,489
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 320dmsport View Post
Yea, it was just a cut and paste and i'm pretty sure these are Chinese...
Please keep us posted. Those Europian regs can be tricky.

How is the cut-off at night?

BTW, here are the appropriate markings:

International ECE markings

ECE/EEC marking: Country of Approval

Firstly, what are those numbers that come after the "E" in the circle or the "e" in the box? What makes a lamp marked (E6) [e6] different from a lamp marked (E1) [e1]?

The uppercase "E" in a circle means the device is type approved to an ECE Regulation, while the lowercase "e" in a box indicates the device is type approved to an EEC Directive. It's rare to find one marking without the other, since the requirements are essentially identical. The number after the "E" or "e" signifies the country in which approval was granted. This doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the quality or performance of the device, though some countries' test-and-approval labs have reputations for being much stricter and others have reputations for being quite lax. The number also doesn't indicate where the device was designed or manufactured. Under ECE and EEC regulations, an item of motor vehicle equipment type approved in any ECE or EEC member country is acceptable for use in any other country that permits or requires vehicles and vehicle components conforming to ECE or EEC safety regulations. Here is a breakout chart of the numbers:

* 1 Germany
* 2 France
* 3 Italy
* 4 Netherlands
* 5 Sweden
* 6 Belgium
* 7 Hungary
* 8 Czecheslovakia
* 9 Spain
* 10 Yugoslavia
* 11 United Kingdom
* 12 Austria
* 13 Luxembourg
* 14 Switzerland
* 15 (currently vacant)
* 16 Norway
* 17 Finland
* 18 Denmark
* 19 Romania
* 20 Poland
* 21 Portugal
* 22 Russia
* 23 Greece
* 24 Ireland
* 25 Croatia
* 26 Slovenia
* 27 Slovakia
* 28 Belarus
* 29 Estonia
* 30 (currently vacant)
* 31 Bosnia-Herzegovina
* 32 Latvia
* 33 (currently vacant)
* 34 Bulgaria
* 35 (currently vacant)
* 36 (currently vacant)
* 37 Turkey
* 38 (currently vacant)
* 39 (currently vacant)
* 40 Yugoslavia-Macedonia
* 41 (currently vacant)
* 42 Special EC
* 43 Japan
* 44 (currently vacant)
* 45 Australia
* 46 Ukraine
* 47 South Africa

Lamp Function Markings

There are letters, numbers and symbols on the lens or housing that indicate various aspects of the lamp's function and performance. The North American SAE and rest-of-world ECE regulations indicate the various functions with different markings. The two systems use some of the same markings for different functions.

ECE/EEC Device Function Markings:

Signal Lamp Markings, Front and Rear

* A Parking lamp (also called "position lamp", "city light", "sidelight")
* AR Reversing (backup) Lamp
* F or B Rear Fog Lamp
* IA Retroreflector
* R Tail (rear position) Lamp
* S1 Brake (stop) lamp
* S3 Centre High Mount Stop Lamp (3rd brake light)
* 1 Front Turn Indicator for use more than 40mm away from low beam headlamp axis
* 1a Front Turn Indicator for use more than 20mm and less than 40mm away from low beam headlamp axis
* 1b Front Turn Indicator for use less than 20mm away from low beam headlamp axis
* 2a Rear Turn Indicator
* 5 Side Turn Signal Repeater
* SM1 Sidemarker lamp
* SM2 Sidemarker lamp
* RL Daytime Running Lamp (DRL)

Forward Illumination Lamp Function Markings:

* B Fog lamp
* C Low (dip) beam headlamp, tungsten filament
* R High (main) beam headlamp or driving lamp, tungsten filament
* CR Low/high (dip/main) beam headlamp, tungsten filament
* HC Low (dip) beam headlamp, halogen
* HR High (main) beam headlamp or driving lamp, halogen
* HCR Low/high (dip/main) beam headlamp, halogen
* DC Low (dip) beam headlamp, gas discharge (HID Xenon)
* DR High (main) beam headlamp or driving lamp, gas discharge (HID Xenon)
* DCR Low/high (dip/main) beam headlamp, gas discharge (HID Xenon)
* A Front position lamp ("parking lamp", "city light", "sidelight")
* RL Daytime Running Lamp ("DRL")
* PL Plastic lens (may occur with any of above markings)

These markings may occur in variant forms. For instance, HCR may or may not be surrounded by a box, and may occur as HC/R. Markings may also occur together. For example, a front lamp cluster that incorporates a low beam headlamp and a high beam headlamp, each with its own halogen bulb and reflector, would be marked HCHR, while a front lamp cluster incporporating a Xenon HID low beam headlamp and a halogen high beam would be marked DCHR.

ECE/EEC Marking: Headlamp Suitability for Traffic Direction

This is a very important marking. All low ("passing", "lower", "dipped") beams are an asymmetrical distribution of light to give maximum seeing in the direction of travel while controlling glare light directed towards oncoming traffic. A headlamp intended for use in traffic that flows on the right side of the road must never be used on the left side of the road, nor must a left-traffic headlamp ever be used on the right side of the road. A wrong-side-of-road headlamp does not provide adequate illumination for the driver to see what he needs to see in order to drive safely, and severely blinds oncoming traffic. This cannot be corrected by adjusting the aim of the lamp, because traffic-handedness is intrinsic in the optics of the lamp. This means it is very unsafe to use UK-spec, Australian-spec, or Japanese-spec ("JDM") headlamps in the United States, Canada, Continental Europe or any other location that drives on the right side of the road. Many performance parts dealers are illegally importing and selling JDM or wrong-side-of-road ECE headlamps into North America, and touting them as a "performance improvement". They may or may not have ECE headlamp markings, but they are not a performance improvement -- they are a danger.

Note that the terminology involved in traffic-handedness of headlamps can be confusing. Countries where traffic flows along the right side of the road have "Right Hand Traffic" (RHT), and the cars used in these countries generally have the steering wheel on the left side of the car, which is called "Left Hand Drive" (LHD). Countries where traffic flows along the left side of the road have "Left Hand Traffic" (LHT) and mostly "Right Hand Drive" (RHD) cars. Sometimes headlamps are referred to by the position of the steering wheel in the car, e.g. "LHD headlamps" used to indicate lamps suitable for use in an LHD vehicle, i.e., on the right side of the road. This is not a wise habit; most countries permit vehicles with the steering wheel on the "wrong" side of the car, but the headlamps are still required to be of the correct traffic-handedness.

Some older reflector-type headlamp designs use a bulb holder that can be rotated through an angle of 30 degrees and the bulb locked in either a "Right Hand Traffic" or "Left Hand Traffic" position, and some modern European (ECE/EEC) projector headlamps have a similar capacity to produce either a left-traffic or a right-traffic beam by moving a lever. Such headlamps can be used on either side of the road, but only if they are shifted into the correct position for the traffic in which you intend to drive. Here is how to read ECE traffic-direction markings:

* → Low beam is suitable only for use in Left Hand Traffic (e.g., Britain, Australia, Africa, Japan)

* [NO ARROW] Low beam is suitable only for use in Right Hand Traffic (US, Canada, Continental Europe, Scandinavia, Russia, etc.)

* ↔ Low beam is adaptable for use on either side of the road (many projector lamps and older reflector high/low lamps)

The traffic-handedness marking applies only to low-beam headlamps. Arrows are also used on all ECE/EEC signalling devices, such as parking lamps, brake lamps, Daytime Running lamps, turn signals, etc., to indicate which side of the vehicle they're intended to fit. The specifications for signalling devices call for specific horizontal angles through which the device must be visible, so the device can convey its message to everybody who needs to see it. These visibility angles are equal but opposite for devices on the left and on the right side of the vehicle, hence the need for side-of-vehicle arrows.

Because some devices incorporate signalling functions and a low beam headlamp, both kinds of arrows may be found on a combination device. When in doubt about the meaning of the arrow, check which function marking is nearest, and that's the function to which any particular arrow applies. For instance, if you find an arrow → near an 'A' mark on a front lamp cluster, it refers to the side of the car for which the parking lamp built into that cluster is approved, and not the traffic direction for which the headlamp in the same cluster is intended.

Beam Peak Intensity Reference Number

This marking is found only on ECE/EEC type approved forward lighting devices that produce a high ("upper", "driving") beam, and expresses the maximum light intensity in the beam. This marking is NOT an indicator of lamp performance or quality. It does not indicate where in the beam this maximum occurs, nor does it imply anything about the shape of the beam. The marking is a number such as 10, 12.5, 17.5, 20, 25, 27.5, 30, etc. Maximum authorized total high-beam peak intensity per a vehicle under ECE regulations is 225,000 candela at 12 Volts, and many countries that adhere to ECE or EEC regulations use this marking to determine the lighting legality of vehicles in use. 225,000 candela corresponds to a peak beam intensity reference number total of 75, so many countries stipulate that all beam peak intensity reference numbers found on all devices on a single vehicle must total up to no more than 75.

To learn the peak beam candlepower of a lamp with a standard-wattage bulb operating at 12 Volts, divide the reference number on the lamp by 37.5, then multiply the result by 112,500. But remember, a lamp with a higher reference number is not necessarily a better lamp than one with a lower number.

North American SAE Lighting and Signalling Function Markings:

* AReflex reflectors
* A2 Wide angle reflex reflectors
* C Motorcycle auxiliary "passing" lamp
* D Motorcycle turn signal lamp
* E Side turn signals for vehicles at least 12m long
* E2 Side turn signals for vehicles shorter than 12m
* F Front fog lamp
* F2 Rear fog lamp (fog taillamp)
* G Cargo lamp
* H Sealed beam headlamp
* HG Xenon HID headlamp
* HR Halogen replaceable-bulb headlamp
* I Turn signal, front
* I3 Turn signal, front, spaced from 75mm to 99mm from low beam headlamp
* I4 Turn signal, front, spaced from 60mm to 74mm from low beam headlamp
* I5 Turn signal, front, spaced less than 60mm from low beam headlamp
* I6 Turn signal, rear (also front for vehicles at least 2m wide)
* I7 Turn signal, front, spaced less than 100mm from the headlamp, for vehicles at least 2m wide
* K Front cornering lamp
* K2 Rear cornering lamp
* L License plate lamp
* M Motorcycle headlamp
* N Moped headlamp
* OSpot lamp
* P Parking lamp
* P2 Clearance, Sidemarker, and Identification lamp
* P3 Clearance, Sidemarker and Identification lamp for vehicles at least 2m wide
* PC Combination clearance and sidemarker lamp (trucks)
* PC2 Combination clearance and sidemarker lamp for vehicles at least 2m wide
* R Reversing (backup) lamp
* S Stop (brake) lamp
* S2 Stop (brake) lamp for vehicles at least 2m wide
* T Tail (rear position) lamp
* T2 Tail (rear position) lamp for vehicles at least 2m wide
* U Supplemental high-mounted combination brake/turn lamp
* U2 Supplemental high-mounted brake lamp for vehicles at least 2m wide
* U3 Center high-mounted brake lamp (CHMSL) for passenger cars
* W2 Warning lamp for school buses
* Y Auxiliary high beam ("driving") lamp
* Y2 Daytime Running Lamp
* Z Auxiliary low beam lamp
cb1111 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 05:52 AM   #16
ibeclueless
What
 
ibeclueless's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 328xi
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Quincy, MA

Posts: 9,334
iTrader: (1)

nice car, welcome
__________________
E92 328xi Space Gray
Aero Lip | M3 Side Skirts | CF Performance Spoiler | ACS Roof | Gloss Black Grilles | LUX H8 Angels | BMW Performance Exhaust

My E92 Photos
ibeclueless is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 07:00 AM   #17
cstavaru
Brigadier General
 
cstavaru's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bucharest, Romania

Posts: 3,235
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cb1111 View Post
Please keep us posted. Those Europian regs can be tricky.
I think you have "issues"
cstavaru is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 07:20 AM   #18
I335
Brigadier General
 
I335's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 335i Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England

Posts: 4,251
iTrader: (11)

I don't know the answer to your question - but your car looks great! Love the wheels you chose and the headlights look fantastic as well. Best of luck!
I335 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 07:34 AM   #19
BenTrovato
Driver
 
BenTrovato's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 335i
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 1,535
iTrader: (4)

Very sharp front end with those lights and full black grill. Welcome!
BenTrovato is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 12:45 PM   #20
HertsE93
New Member
 
Drives: 320I E93
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hemel Hempstead

Posts: 10
iTrader: (0)

Thanks for all the comments guys, appreciated.
Now the modding starts...
HertsE93 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 01:09 PM   #21
jeveryday
Colonel
 
jeveryday's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 Sparkling Graphite 335i
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Long Island, New York

Posts: 2,227
iTrader: (6)

Look like OSS sick
jeveryday is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-30-2010, 01:31 PM   #22
Geonator
Captain
 
Geonator's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 335i JB
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ca 818

Posts: 983
iTrader: (8)

LOVE YOUR CAR!!!
The Angel eyes look great and you Wagon is a Beast!!
__________________
2006 330i E90 Sparkling Graphite- 2007 335i E92 JB ->2008 135i Montego Blue
Geonator is offline   Philippines
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST