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      02-13-2013, 02:38 PM   #67
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Caveats, caveats, caveats....

Your original post just said "Swerving to avoid a raccoon? Bad idea... higher likelihood of rollover", impying that simply swerving (i.e. rapidly changing direction, not yanking the wheel almost to full lock like an SUV on a airport runway) could flip an E90; I donít think so.
I'm not going to debate the specific definition you've put on swerving... you're being specific, I'm being general (google swerving - that should help your understanding.).

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So hitting a curb at high speed might cause a car to flip over, if the speed is right, the curb high enough, and the angle of attack is correct, but then that's usually called a "crash".
Sure... swerving to avoid a raccoon could indeed end up in a crash.. or in a collision.

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In an E90, considering the suspension breaks pretty easily, it would probably just bust up a lot of stuff.
Anytime you hit something with enough force, you can "bust up a lot of stuff"...

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Thanks for the physics lesson on the SUV/Truck scenario; but I reiterate, we are talking about a BMW sports sedan, not and SUV. And most modern SUVs built in the last 10 years or so have stability/rollover control build into the brake system to prevent rollovers anyway.
Under ideal conditions, that is true. Hit a curb or a soft shoulder.. while swerving (the general act of swerving to avoid an obstacle at a higher rate of speed), even the stability control can't help you...

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Now you throw in low tire pressure, and soft shoulders.... All E90s have TPMS
Not so.. perhaps all US models, but my Canadian model does not.

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so if a BMW driver is driving on tire pressure so low that unimpeded high-G cornering would rip the (45 or 50 series) tire off the rim; then maybe he disserves to get killed anyway.
..where did cornering come from? I thought we were talking about swerving?

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Iíll add that the speed it would take to flip an E90 on a surface road that would allow for such a high rate of speed that the likelihood of a raccoon being on the road in that environmental setting would be extremely rare.
Not so: You've neglected to include environmental factors such as time of day, road/weather conditions, visibility and driver experience, driver condition (fatigue, etc) to name but a few of rather important factors.

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Having actually flipped a car over on its roof (Iím the inaugural member of the Flip-A-Ford club - circa 1982) Iím a bit familiar with what it actually takes to end up with the wheels skyward. Thereís such a small chance anyone could ever rollover a BMW E90 chassis (that is in stock form and in normal operating condition Ė no caveats please) by just trying to avoid a raccoon it is almost laughable.
First fatal I ever went to was someone swerving to avoid a cat: Acura sports car (coupe) - passenger died at the scene.

Anyhow.. I'm done trying to explain things for you - but perhaps an advanced driving course or two might help you understand driving and driver dynamics.
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I'm not going to debate the specific definition you've put on swerving... you're being specific, I'm being general (google swerving - that should help your understanding.).



Sure... swerving to avoid a raccoon could indeed end up in a crash.. or in a collision.



Anytime you hit something with enough force, you can "bust up a lot of stuff"...



Under ideal conditions, that is true. Hit a curb or a soft shoulder.. while swerving (the general act of swerving to avoid an obstacle at a higher rate of speed), even the stability control can't help you...



Not so.. perhaps all US models, but my Canadian model does not.



..where did cornering come from? I thought we were talking about swerving?



Not so: You've neglected to include environmental factors such as time of day, road/weather conditions, visibility and driver experience, driver condition (fatigue, etc) to name but a few of rather important factors.


First fatal I ever went to was someone swerving to avoid a cat: Acura sports car (coupe) - passenger died at the scene.

Anyhow.. I'm done trying to explain things for you - but perhaps an advanced driving course or two might help you understand driving and driver dynamics.
Oh, I'd be more than happy to teach an advanced driving course for you. PM let me and let me know when you'd like me set it up. Car or bike, your preference. Maybe I can start with the Acura driver you mentioned.

Your original post just said "Swerving to avoid a raccoon? Bad idea... higher likelihood of rollover", impying that simply swerving (i.e. rapidly changing direction, not yanking the wheel almost to full lock like an SUV on a airport runway) could flip an E90; I don’t think so. That's my definition... So, sure, you're right, swerving could produce a higher likelihood of rollover vs. not swerving at all; but then again, driving a car is far more dangerous than not driving a car at all, but of course you'd not get anywhere either.

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let me restate my "swerving" i turned the wheel really fast to the left as i slammed my brakes to avoid it, i wasnt doing 120MPH. be serious, people start stupid arguments.
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I hit a bird going 80mph. I was gonna swerve, but my cars more important than a bird(or getting a wreck). I went back to see where the bird went and i didnt find it. I know i ran it over with my rear tires, after i hit it cause i felt a bump.
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let me restate my "swerving" i turned the wheel really fast to the left as i slammed my brakes to avoid it, i wasnt doing 120MPH. be serious, people start stupid arguments.
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Oh, I'd be more than happy to teach an advanced driving course for you. PM let me and let me know when you'd like me set it up. Car or bike, your preference. Maybe I can start with the Acura driver you mentioned.
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i hit a very freshly killed deer the night before thanksgiving going around a bend. that sucked... anywho i parked in the dark and save for the missing body color amber delete on the bumper (i was pissed about that i had to buy another full set, omg $55 haha), i was no worse for the wear. actually i lucked out, i think i cut the wheel at the right moment so i just sloshed through the fleshy part of the torso. anywho the morning light revealed a more ghastly scene:




note hair and brain matter on my wheel

that happened i just screamed "FUCK!!!!!!" my girlfriend: "it's ok i think he was already dead!" hahaha. i had just waxed the car that week that all hosed right off. oh and my side skirt popped right back in too

good luck with your situation OP, pics when the new bumper is fitted
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i hit a very freshly killed deer the night before thanksgiving going around a bend. that sucked... anywho i parked in the dark and save for the missing body color amber delete on the bumper (i was pissed about that i had to buy another full set, omg $55 haha), i was no worse for the wear. actually i lucked out, i think i cut the wheel at the right moment so i just sloshed through the fleshy part of the torso. anywho the morning light revealed a more ghastly scene:




note hair and brain matter on my wheel

that happened i just screamed "FUCK!!!!!!" my girlfriend: "it's ok i think he was already dead!" hahaha. i had just waxed the car that week that all hosed right off. oh and my side skirt popped right back in too

good luck with your situation OP, pics when the new bumper is fitted
ouch! thanks im supposed to be getting her into the body shop tomorrow. its been 9 days, damn insurance
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