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      02-07-2013, 07:03 AM   #23
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Nice car OP - you'll love the manual, even a bad manual is better than an auto



Err? As you would in any manual car trying to get first gear on the move, I'm not sure what you mean?


I think what you mean is a larger engines / rear wheel drive shows up poor rev matching due to its high rotating inertia and the lacking rear grip on engine breaking (we all do it ), whereas smaller engines (mainly FWD) just get dragged up the revs when you drop the clutch without rev-matching enough.
I'm not talking about doing 20mph and having a nice change down. It's more approaching a roundabout but rolling down into revs that 2nd just isn't going to get you into that gap you should easily make. Having to heel and toe around town is kinda silly don't you think? I'm not saying it's impossible to go neutral, revs, 1st, but it's not a comfortable gear change.

The 116i I had before wasn't as difficult to do. Probably due to the lack of power, it's really hard to get the throttle right on the 335 and keep moving smoothly after a shift down to 1st. The gear is fairly short and a tiny throttle movement can send you into the back of the car in front. Granted I rarely use 1st, and generally you can just go 1st -> 3rd in normal driving, but occasionally I have to use it from a non standstill and it's not an easy gear to get into.

The torque comment was unrelated to downshifting, that was just another comment. It is kinda weird when you engage a clutch when you have 300lb/ft of torque :|

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Unless at a complete stop I dont often see the need for first gear.

The gearing is too low, 2nd tends to hook up much better from 5mph upwards.
I agree, I rarely change down first, which maybe is why it is still being mastered. Granted the kangaroo effect is much smaller now but it is still there!
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      02-07-2013, 10:58 AM   #24
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i'll admit that when i get my next car (maybe a an M135i) it will be the auto. The manual shift in many BMW's leaves me cold. our old 328i was notchy as hell between 1st and 2nd gears, so was my mates 330i and so is my E90 325i 6MT. I hate having to use 1st at all, its far too highly geared and is pretty much only good for getting you rolling, but on the 325i/330i theres not quite enough torque low down to pull the car up from 2nd gear. So you find yourself revving out first and getting a rather snatched change into 2nd gear.

I dont like it. Both my old 530D and 330i autos were much nicer to be in.

the M135i has a superb auto box, it locks up in pretty much all the early gears, giving a nicely connected feel and no loss of performance. In fact the shift times are so good, that i believe the performance AND economy figures are better for the 8 speed auto than they are for the manual.

I think I agree with many here that powerful cars are better suited to autos, it makes them more manageable at lower speeds, and just as functional at high speeds.

lets not confuse the current 8 speed auto, with the slow, clunky, dim witted, and thirsty beasts that were in the old E39's. These new boxes are fast, efficient and allied to a paddle shifter, great fun too!!
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DCT box can never be more efficient than a manual box.
Why? It IS a manual 'box...
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Hello M135i :-)
Just ordered one of these... Can't wait!
(Delivery due beginning May)
Did you get a good deal/discount? ~2,700 off through Broadspeed...
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      02-07-2013, 01:36 PM   #27
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Did you get a good deal/discount? ~2,700 off through Broadspeed...
I did thanks.

Didn't get it from these guys but Broker4cars.co.uk have good deals.

I think most deals are between 10 and 12%
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      02-07-2013, 02:15 PM   #28
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Sounds a great spec, been fannying around trying to get a deal on one on and off since December.

Broadspeed no discount on options, my local dealers nothing more than token % off.

One broker left trying to hunt me a deal, if not probably give up and lease a 330d tourer...
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      02-07-2013, 03:04 PM   #29
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Sounds a great spec, been fannying around trying to get a deal on one on and off since December.

Broadspeed no discount on options, my local dealers nothing more than token % off.

One broker left trying to hunt me a deal, if not probably give up and lease a 330d tourer...

Have you tried broker4cars? Seem to be good deals to be had.

Also worth having a read of http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php...3a1e3b4d63b08c
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      02-09-2013, 01:42 PM   #31
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Congratulations on going from an awesome car, to an even more awesome car.

Jealous!
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      02-09-2013, 05:02 PM   #32
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Congratulations on going from an awesome car, to an even more awesome car.

Jealous!
Thank you
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Sounds a great spec, been fannying around trying to get a deal on one on and off since December.

Broadspeed no discount on options, my local dealers nothing more than token % off.

One broker left trying to hunt me a deal, if not probably give up and lease a 330d tourer...

Have you tried broker4cars? Seem to be good deals to be had.

Also worth having a read of http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php...3a1e3b4d63b08c
Thanks for the tip, will try the dealers listed
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Sounds a great spec, been fannying around trying to get a deal on one on and off since December.

Broadspeed no discount on options, my local dealers nothing more than token % off.

One broker left trying to hunt me a deal, if not probably give up and lease a 330d tourer...
Just wait until late summer.
It's still too new.

You can already see the headroom opening up on the last Einser 3 and 5 doors.

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Looks like found a local dealer who'll play ball, 10% off inc options.
Going to play around with the specs and colours now. Silver and coral current favourite.

Anyone know if electric seats go as low as manual? Know they didn't on e46 and at 6'5" matters. Will ask on the 1 pages.
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