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      02-23-2013, 08:03 PM   #89
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Hey good sales job man. The difference between you and me is that I own and track a 335I, not an evo. I ask for videos to back up your sales claims, and you give me a link to an evo site, with pictures of an engine build. So you're a mechanic? big deal, we're all dating supermodels here mate, its the internet for godsake.
Sales Job? Makes no difference to me.

Like I said, read the thread and you may learn something, not just look at some pictures on page 1.

I see most of what you have posted so far in relation to the mechanics of LSDís is straight off Wikipedia, and itís very obvious you donít fully understand how they work. Also, youíve never tested a plated diff, back to back with a helical, so have no basis for you comments.

Iíve stated facts about the advantages of plated LSDís compared to Helical in regards to improved traction, due to my experience of building and using all the types of LSDís discussed. Iíve used all 3 types in different vehicles. I own front wheel drive (Quaife helical), 4 wheel drive (Plated LSD front and rear) and rear wheel drive vehicles, one track car, one race car and one road/track car.

Youíre taking this all very personally, not sure why. Iíve never criticized the Wavetrac LSD, I actually think itís very good, with a clever internal design to enable the worm gears to be pressed against the casing in a no load situation, a nice no maintenance helical diff that works with one wheel off the ground. But, it cannot equal a plated LSD in regards to torque transfer capabilities and thus ultimate traction, that is a hard fact.

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I tracked my 335I for years, with an open diff, and was able to compensate for this disadvantage (read: traction control off, or partially disabled!). I modified my vehicle power out put levels to be about the same, as a stock E90M3, and I was 5-7 seconds faster than those vehicles at the track.

When it came time to fit a diff, I did my research, and went with the clear choice. OS giken, or drexler (Australia), are not very popular on here. Besides the LARGE price difference, there are several other issues with these types of diffs that made this a wavetrac or quaife forum.
Good for you, but this is the internet mate, we all date supermodels you know.
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Ok guys, can you both back off, shake hands, and knock it off!? The testosterone is dripping off these posts.
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Has anyone recently installed the Wavetrac LSD? I've heard others say the earlier versions made clunking sounds. I just wanted to make sure if I go with Wavetrac over Quaife I'm not going to run into any issues. Hopefully Wavetrac worked out all the kinks.

I will most likely Not do the entire diff swap but have the LSD installed into my existing diff to save the $. I already purchased the N54 diff tool.

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Just read this whole thread... Whatever Killerfish said, ignore it. This guy probably got his info from Maxim
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Just read this whole thread... Whatever Killerfish said, ignore it. This guy probably got his info from Maxim
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Has anyone recently installed the Wavetrac LSD? I've heard others say the earlier versions made clunking sounds. I just wanted to make sure if I go with Wavetrac over Quaife I'm not going to run into any issues. Hopefully Wavetrac worked out all the kinks.

I will most likely Not do the entire diff swap but have the LSD installed into my existing diff to save the $. I already purchased the N54 diff tool.

Thanks
Should be fine, especially if you have a 6AT.
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I think any of these will be better than the open diff. I can't see VAC selling anything that would suck given all that goes into making one fit in our cars.
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Of course they are. Boils down to personal preference, how much tracking you'll do and price point to name a few.
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ive had a wavetrac in my car since 2011 its works flawless my suspension is also modified. I was looking to get a os gikeen super lock but im hold off for a few.
as for the i do get sometimes going from N TO 1ST GEAR. i found a video that may describe the clunk its not a bmw but its awavetrac diff

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I will most likely Not do the entire diff swap but have the LSD installed into my existing diff to save the $. I already purchased the N54 diff tool.

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Sooooo...dFan, I bet you're excited to get that suspension work done. Be sure to post before and after thought on the LSD!
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Should be fine, especially if you have a 6AT.
I'm 6MT but not sure what difference it would make.
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I'm 6MT but not sure what difference it would make.
Where are you doing your install? There is a list of smaller parts that you will need for an install. PM me, and I'll point you in the right direction.
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Sooooo...dFan, I bet you're excited to get that suspension work done. Be sure to post before and after thought on the LSD!
Well, there have been some delays in the arrival of the springs and dampers from European origination points, so that part is probably 2-3 weeks out still. But I suggested to my VAC POC that maybe we should get on with everything else first. Would be an interesting way to go. That way I could see the impact of just the M3 rear subframe bushings, Quaife Diff, M3 control arms, and the M3 sway bars on the handling.

Need to remember to go to some country roads here in Anne Arundel County and try to assess my pre-work handling right before I have the work done. So I can assess the handling delta thereafter. Hope I don't kill myself.
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so are we getting group buy on LSD from VAC
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Where are you doing your install? There is a list of smaller parts that you will need for an install. PM me, and I'll point you in the right direction.
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so are we getting group buy on LSD from VAC
yeah, any word on that?
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