E90Post
 


Sparta Evolution
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Professional Motorsport Racing Discussion (ALMS, DTM, Formula 1, Grand-AM, Le Mans, IRL, WRC, etc..) > M3s OUT OF ALMS!



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-24-2013, 02:47 PM   #45
MrClean335i
FBO+Methanol Injection
MrClean335i's Avatar
18
Rep
349
Posts

Drives: M Sport 335i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Miami

iTrader: (0)

Some of you guys are whack. Neither the M3 or the Z4 are sports cars

BMW doesn't make sports cars. The M3 is a sporty coupe but not a sports car. The current z4 isn't one either. Sure you can make a track car out of a M3 but its not a sports car in its stock form.
Appreciate 0
      02-24-2013, 04:55 PM   #46
1MOREMOD
2015 Track Days - 3|Ridge 1:52:24|Pacific 1:35:72
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
217
Rep
13,806
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

i would argue that the z4 is a sports car, not necessarily a good one. ive always thought of sports cars as smaller 2 seat impractical low weight cars that have not much utility.
__________________

02 Tiag e46 M3|6MT|GC plates|MCS c.o.|GC bars|GC race control arms|GC bushings|BW eng. & tran. mounts|subframe kit|BW race shifter|BW Jaffster|Euro header|BW exhaust|K&N c.a.i.|Epic race tune|Rouge pulleys|Seibon CF hood|CSL bumper|ST-40|XR-2|SS lines|half cage|Recaro profi|Profi 2 harness|BMWpedals|BW studs|
Appreciate 0
      02-24-2013, 05:23 PM   #47
RingMeister01
Croatian
RingMeister01's Avatar
No_Country
151
Rep
3,114
Posts

Drives: The Ultimate Driving Machine
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
If the haters would actually pay attention to the racing, they would realize that the Z4 GTE is doing well and is competitive against Porsche, Ferrari and Corvette. I am upset that the M3 is out but being that we are at the end of production, BMW needs a temp replacement till the M4 debuts and is developed for racing. Not ideal but I do like how the Z4 looks and performs.
__________________
Individual SILVER GRAY M4 / Cayman GT4 / E36 M3 (track) / E21 320i (S52 + Getrag 420G Swap) / Fiat 500 (daily)
Appreciate 0
      02-24-2013, 05:26 PM   #48
RingMeister01
Croatian
RingMeister01's Avatar
No_Country
151
Rep
3,114
Posts

Drives: The Ultimate Driving Machine
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by RussRamz View Post
The Z4 GT car is much more competitive compared to the outgoing M3 GT car. If it wasn't for the drive shaft issues, Schübert Motorsport would have taken the 1-2 spots in last years 24h race at the Nürburgring. I suspect the Z4 will do quite well.

Oh, it uses the V8 out of the M3
+1000
__________________
Individual SILVER GRAY M4 / Cayman GT4 / E36 M3 (track) / E21 320i (S52 + Getrag 420G Swap) / Fiat 500 (daily)
Appreciate 0
      02-24-2013, 05:35 PM   #49
Kgolf31
Brigadier General
Kgolf31's Avatar
76
Rep
3,641
Posts

Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrClean335i View Post
Some of you guys are whack. Neither the M3 or the Z4 are sports cars

BMW doesn't make sports cars. The M3 is a sporty coupe but not a sports car. The current z4 isn't one either. Sure you can make a track car out of a M3 but its not a sports car in its stock form.
Most of anything in full race trim can be a sports car.

What would you say when you look at a Chevy Cruze...this?



Cars now-a-days are not sports car. They are for people who want a 400+HP car and drive it to the grocery store.

Proper suspension and the correct nut behind the wheel they can be fast cars.
__________________

Appreciate 0
      02-27-2013, 10:37 PM   #50
alms21
Captain
United_States
28
Rep
911
Posts

Drives: '10 GT-R
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Frederick, MD/Sarasota, FL

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RingMeister01 View Post
If the haters would actually pay attention to the racing, they would realize that the Z4 GTE is doing well and is competitive against Porsche, Ferrari and Corvette. I am upset that the M3 is out but being that we are at the end of production, BMW needs a temp replacement till the M4 debuts and is developed for racing. Not ideal but I do like how the Z4 looks and performs.
+1 ..precisely. The ALMS M3 looked so damn good. The Z4 looks fantastic as well. Hell, it's a BMW and I will watch and pull for it.
__________________
Up next --- F82M4, 981 CaymanS; 991???
2010 GT-R (gone)
2012 Mercedes ML350; '04 Toyota 4runner LTD
Past: '14 Audi S5; '11 M3; '07 Porsche 997 Turbo; '09 E92 M3, '11 GS Vette; E46M3; C6Z06; E60M5; '09 335; '06 CaymanS; Porsche 996 Turbo; Porsche 997S
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2013, 11:14 PM   #51
vasmir
eh
vasmir's Avatar
3
Rep
175
Posts

Drives: 2011 E82 M
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Newport, RI

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD View Post
i would argue that the z4 is a sports car, not necessarily a good one. ive always thought of sports cars as smaller 2 seat impractical low weight cars that have not much utility.
I think my Z is incredibly practical!
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2013, 12:57 AM   #52
1MOREMOD
2015 Track Days - 3|Ridge 1:52:24|Pacific 1:35:72
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
217
Rep
13,806
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by vasmir View Post
I think my Z is incredibly practical!
i think my m3 with no rear interior and quite a bit of camber is still practical but it gets less so every year!
__________________

02 Tiag e46 M3|6MT|GC plates|MCS c.o.|GC bars|GC race control arms|GC bushings|BW eng. & tran. mounts|subframe kit|BW race shifter|BW Jaffster|Euro header|BW exhaust|K&N c.a.i.|Epic race tune|Rouge pulleys|Seibon CF hood|CSL bumper|ST-40|XR-2|SS lines|half cage|Recaro profi|Profi 2 harness|BMWpedals|BW studs|
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2013, 11:07 AM   #53
shivaswrath
Brigadier General
shivaswrath's Avatar
United_States
49
Rep
3,189
Posts

Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lost in NJ

iTrader: (3)

it's almost the same engine as the M3GT, just smaller and wider...I think this is awesome. Who cares it doesn't wear the hallowed M badge...
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|LSD|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|Bav Stage 1|400Ms|BMWF30.com
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2013, 11:54 AM   #54
phrozen06
Lieutenant Colonel
phrozen06's Avatar
36
Rep
1,593
Posts

Drives: 08 M3 DCT, 08 VW R32
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 39°27'33"N 77°58'04"W W. Virgina, Kansas

iTrader: (2)

I'm late to this thread. Will they homologate this Z4? If not then BMW ///M is cheating again. And I don't mean stickin a few examples in a freakin museum just to say you made a few.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2013, 03:03 PM   #55
Silver E90
Private First Class
9
Rep
145
Posts

Drives: 2010 335i
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by phrozen06 View Post
I'm late to this thread. Will they homologate this Z4? If not then BMW ///M is cheating again. And I don't mean stickin a few examples in a freakin museum just to say you made a few.
It's in the process of getting homologated by the ACO, but it will have waivers for the V8 and transaxle, among other things.
Appreciate 0
      03-01-2013, 01:22 PM   #56
phrozen06
Lieutenant Colonel
phrozen06's Avatar
36
Rep
1,593
Posts

Drives: 08 M3 DCT, 08 VW R32
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 39°27'33"N 77°58'04"W W. Virgina, Kansas

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver E90 View Post
It's in the process of getting homologated by the ACO, but it will have waivers for the V8 and transaxle, among other things.
You've got to be kidding me. What's the point of homologating if you're gonna have waivers on the engine?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      03-01-2013, 02:40 PM   #57
Silver E90
Private First Class
9
Rep
145
Posts

Drives: 2010 335i
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by phrozen06 View Post
You've got to be kidding me. What's the point of homologating if you're gonna have waivers on the engine?
One theory is that right now the manufacturers and the ACO are in talks about a unified GT category. So the regs will change and the ACO homologating this car could be the first sign of what that new GT category will look like.

Also with the ACO/IMSA facing a possibility that BMW wouldn't be back in the ALMS unless they let them run the V8 in the Z4, the ACO/IMSA caved so they could keep another manufacturer backed team on the grid.

But that is the million dollar question.
Appreciate 0
      04-17-2013, 05:06 PM   #58
WarrantyTracker
Track? What Track? I was just riding along . . .
United_States
10
Rep
593
Posts

Drives: Alpine White E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: An Undisclosed Location

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgolf31 View Post
How many Z4s have you driven, let alone on the track?
Sorry. I said "supposedly"! I'm sure you in yours handles great.
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2013, 11:51 PM   #59
Greenkirby21
Vrooom :)
Greenkirby21's Avatar
United_States
106
Rep
2,599
Posts

Drives: C7 Stringray
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Dream Land

iTrader: (1)

Send a message via AIM to Greenkirby21
P1 and P2 in longbeach today
__________________
2014 C7 Corvette Stringray - Laguna Blue - NPP Exhaust - Competition Seats
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2013, 12:01 AM   #60
bimmerjph
Lieutenant Colonel
bimmerjph's Avatar
United_States
33
Rep
1,993
Posts

Drives: 2002 BMW 325i
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Tennessee

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenkirby21
P1 and P2 in longbeach today
Yup. LOL.

Some people in this thread just got bitch slapped by reality.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2013, 06:15 PM   #61
z4z4z4
Lieutenant
z4z4z4's Avatar
United_States
14
Rep
540
Posts

Drives: 2002 M3
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: mild mediterranean breezes

iTrader: (1)

^1






__________________
BBS-ER-Potenza-Remus-Tekarbon
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2013, 10:23 AM   #62
WarrantyTracker
Track? What Track? I was just riding along . . .
United_States
10
Rep
593
Posts

Drives: Alpine White E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: An Undisclosed Location

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerjph View Post
Yup. LOL.

Some people in this thread just got bitch slapped by reality.
Hey, I didn't say anything about reality. I just said I was sorry.
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2013, 12:07 PM   #63
mfanatic325
///M-fanatic
mfanatic325's Avatar
Taiwan
55
Rep
3,735
Posts

Drives: '07 Z4MC, '04 325Ci
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Cupertino, CA.

iTrader: (20)

Garage List
lol the ignorance is strong here. The Z4 chassis (both E85/86 and E89) are quite competent for racing purposes. Equal to or better than the E9X M3 chassis. In fact, the E86 chassis has highest torsional rigidity @ 32,000 Nm.

Those that enjoy comparing stock production cars may continue to do so
But just know that stock performance does not do each chassis justice, especially since the race versions are so drastically different than the production road-going versions.
__________________
VF570 S/C|TIAL BOV|SetRabCooler|Brembo GT 6/4|TE37s|PSSs|KW V3s|SS Race Mufflers/X-pipe|JVT Headers|AS SSK|VibraTechnic Mounts|Sparco Pro2000/6pt.Harness|MS FloorMounts|SE Custom Harness Bar|Tekarbon Angels|M-Tech Pedals|OE Strut Bar|RE RSMs|8000K D2S|CDV DEL|CF Roof Wrap|MB Grills|UUC TrannyMounts/ClutchStop|V1 Mount|P3C Gauge

Last edited by mfanatic325; 04-25-2013 at 12:34 PM.
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2013, 01:40 PM   #64
BlackJetE90
Colonel
93
Rep
2,890
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: e90

iTrader: (0)

Still complete BS IMSA allowed them to run this car. Every team should protest each and every race result by the Z4 GTE's. Either that...all teams should start pissing over the homologation rules.

I don't want BMW out of ALMS, I just want them to play by the spirit of the rules. Or change the f*cking rules for everyone.
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2013, 02:24 PM   #65
Marioalex24
Lieutenant
Marioalex24's Avatar
Mexico
6
Rep
410
Posts

Drives: E46 M3
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: So Cal

iTrader: (0)

Yes n no. Because the Z looks freaking sick. Makes me want to do my car the sane.
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2013, 02:42 PM   #66
Silver E90
Private First Class
9
Rep
145
Posts

Drives: 2010 335i
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJetE90 View Post
Still complete BS IMSA allowed them to run this car. Every team should protest each and every race result by the Z4 GTE's. Either that...all teams should start pissing over the homologation rules.

I don't want BMW out of ALMS, I just want them to play by the spirit of the rules. Or change the f*cking rules for everyone.
That may very well be the case in a year or two. The governing bodies and the manufacturers are in talks to create a singe GT platform by combining GTE and GT3. BMW might not have wanted to create a new car to GTE spec knowing the rules will change in the short term. So the ACO/IMSA allowed the Z4 with a V8 in order not to lose BMW for a few years, knowing the changes to the rules by 2016.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:39 PM.




e90post
e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST