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      01-22-2008, 12:21 PM   #177
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The shark fin is definitely more pronounced on the new car. As far as the bumper, check out the unedited photo at the top of the page in the areas that I circled. The current car has a crease, the new one does not. I swear I'm not seeing things!
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The shark fin is definitely more pronounced on the new car. As far as the bumper, check out the unedited photo at the top of the page in the areas that I circled. The current car has a crease, the new one does not. I swear I'm not seeing things!
Not for nothing, but in the grand scheme of a mid-cycle facelift, these things don't matter all that much. If they are there though, good eyes. No need to visit the eye doctor.
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      01-22-2008, 01:29 PM   #179
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I think the shark fins are a different size (maybe a euro thing) and I've noticed there is no crease below the tail light lens on the new car (on the rear bumper). Are my eyes playing tricks on me???
I think you're seeing things, no offense ;-)
Check out my shark fin, just the same...
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      01-22-2008, 04:02 PM   #181
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You've been reading too many old car magazines. the E60 design has been very well accepted after 4 yrs, and the sales numbers show.
lol, old car magazines?

The car is accepted, sure. People tolerate the front and rear, but that hardly makes it a "much better design" than the E90 which is what you said. BMW agrees with me - they are greatly toning down the design with the new F10 5 series. So enjoy your beloved headlights and bangle butt while you can, they will be gone soon. And what's left will probably be a mighty fine looking car.
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      01-23-2008, 07:15 AM   #183
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lol, old car magazines?

The car is accepted, sure. People tolerate the front and rear, but that hardly makes it a "much better design" than the E90 which is what you said. BMW agrees with me - they are greatly toning down the design with the new F10 5 series. So enjoy your beloved headlights and bangle butt while you can, they will be gone soon. And what's left will probably be a mighty fine looking car.
Amen brother ;-)
Always thougth the E60 looked a bit... awkward.
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lol, old car magazines?

The car is accepted, sure. People tolerate the front and rear, but that hardly makes it a "much better design" than the E90 which is what you said. BMW agrees with me - they are greatly toning down the design with the new F10 5 series. So enjoy your beloved headlights and bangle butt while you can, they will be gone soon. And what's left will probably be a mighty fine looking car.
Again you are reading too many car magazines who jump out to criticize Chris Bangle when the newer generations of BMW come out. Can't think for yourself, can you? Anyway, Chris Bangle is doing just fine as the director of BMW design, and BMW is doing better than ever. The original 7 series tail is a bit weird, but the current 5 series is widely accepted the best in its category, notably for those who want to purchase a vehicle in the executive car class.

Design language is a matter of personal opinion. I personally love the 5 series and it's gratifying to see one in the garage everyday. Mark my words, the e90/91 tail light will see some change. there's a reason the e92/93 don't use the same weird shape.

F10 is two years away. Have you seen it?
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Again you are reading too many car magazines who jump out to criticize Chris Bangle when the newer generations of BMW come out. Can't think for yourself, can you? Anyway, Chris Bangle is doing just fine as the director of BMW design, and BMW is doing better than ever. The original 7 series tail is a bit weird, but the current 5 series is widely accepted the best in its category, notably for those who want to purchase a vehicle in the executive car class.

Design language is a matter of personal opinion. I personally love the 5 series and it's gratifying to see one in the garage everyday. Mark my words, the e90/91 tail light will see some change. there's a reason the e92/93 don't use the same weird shape.

F10 is two years away. Have you seen it?
I love most of the stuff Bangle and Hoydoonk have done, but I still say the 5-er needs to loose the Dame Edna-lights and do some clean up with the rear lights in the next version, F10, to really get the "I want it!"-feel from new buyers.
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Again you are reading too many car magazines who jump out to criticize Chris Bangle when the newer generations of BMW come out. Can't think for yourself, can you?
First of all I think its pretty amusing that you come into an E90 forum and make a statement about the E60 being better than the E90 and now you are getting defensive with me for my rebuttal. Can't think for myself? Dude, listen to yourself. Just because I don't agree with what is a controversial statement at best in the context of this forum, I can't think for myself? LOL, come on man. Please tone the ego down a notch.

Do you see the other comments responding to you in this thread? People agree with me here. If you want validation why not just get it from the E60 forums? You aren't going to convince many E90 drivers here that the E60 is "a much better design" than the E90. And that was all I stated from the beginning. It looks like I might have been right, no?

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Anyway, Chris Bangle is doing just fine as the director of BMW design, and BMW is doing better than ever. The original 7 series tail is a bit weird, but the current 5 series is widely accepted the best in its category, notably for those who want to purchase a vehicle in the executive car class.
Great, but irrelevant. We were discussing the car's appearance only, and your opinions on that. Nothing more. As I've already said the E60 is a fine car other than the aesthetics and it will probably be even better next generation.

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Design language is a matter of personal opinion. I personally love the 5 series and it's gratifying to see one in the garage everyday.
Great. And I love my cars too. Never had the urge to go into a 5 series forum and claim state that the design is much better than those cars though.

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Mark my words, the e90/91 tail light will see some change. there's a reason the e92/93 don't use the same weird shape.
No one doubts they will change. That's blatantly obvious from the spy pics. Just don't count on them looking like the E92/E93.

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Nope, just spyshots and artists impressions. Never claimed to though. How 'bout you?
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First of all I think its pretty amusing that you come into an E90 forum and make a statement about the E60 being better than the E90 and now you are getting defensive with me for my rebuttal. Can't think for myself? Dude, listen to yourself. Just because I don't agree with what is a controversial statement at best in the context of this forum, I can't think for myself? LOL, come on man. Please tone the ego down a notch.
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Nope, just spyshots and artists impressions. Never claimed to though. How 'bout you?
Amusing? We have an E60 and I'd like to get an E91, and with the likely design change coming to the E90/E91, I think it's pretty fair that I comment and compare.

And we all know how much spy shots are worth Two-Three years before the new vehicle release.
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Amusing? We have an E60 and I'd like to get an E91, and with the likely design change coming to the E90/E91, I think it's pretty fair that I comment and compare.

And we all know how much spy shots are worth Two-Three years before the new vehicle release.
please stop saying that...... let's all pray the facelift will be out sept '08
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please stop saying that...... let's all pray the facelift will be out sept '08
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Amusing? We have an E60 and I'd like to get an E91, and with the likely design change coming to the E90/E91, I think it's pretty fair that I comment and compare.
Absolutely - no problem with commenting. You made a comment, and I made a comment in response. Pretty standard stuff for an internet discussion forum. As far as I can tell it never needed to go any further than that.

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And we all know how much spy shots are worth Two-Three years before the new vehicle release.
The F10? Probably two years to autoshow debut, yeah. Nothing is certain of course, but its looks pretty clear from the spyshots and the comments made by the photographers that the front and rear will be toned way down. There have also been stories on Autoblog, TCC, WCF, etc about BMW's desire to go more conservative with the styling of the 5. 6. 7 next time around.

As for the E90/E91 refresh, that's only months away.
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did anyone hear any rumors saying that the 330(x)d will get more hp?
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You cant really tell anything from the front. The back of the car should be worked
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My lease is up in May....I want a MY2009 E90....when would be the earliest I could order/get one?
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^ I would guess September/October...

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from GCF, E90/E90 FL is not listed as a Geneva Introduction:

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Other Geneva Motorshow introductions
The new BMW M3 Convertible
The new BMW M3 Convertible is the fourth generation of BMWs open-topped M3 and the first M car to feature a Retractable Hard-Top. It is also the first car to feature BMWs new seven-speed M Double Clutch Transmission (M DCT) as an option. Changing gear using either paddles on the steering wheel or the gear lever, the new M DCT gearbox has the next gear pre-selected in readiness and changes gear in just a few milliseconds. The M DCT-equipped car also outperforms the manual gearbox car in terms of outright performance, economy and emissions.

The new M3 Convertibles engine develops 420hp at 8,300rpm and 400Nm of torque at 3,900rpm from its 3,999cc V8-power unit. When equipped with its standard six-speed manual gearbox, this engine powers the car from zero to 62mph in 5.3 seconds and on to an electronically-limited top speed of 155mph. However, even with these supercar levels of performance, BMWs EfficientDynamics programme ensures that economy is not compromised with the car delivering 21.9mpg on the combined cycle.

The new BMW X6
The new BMW X6 Sports Activity Coup is the latest in BMWs X family of Sports Activity models. Its also the first time that BMW has combined the safety and convenience of the command driving position with the on-road performance of a sports car, all wrapped in a coup body style.

In another BMW first, the entire model range is turbocharged with the X6 offering a quartet of forced induction power plants. The range flagship is an all-new twin-turbocharged V8, the X6 xDrive50i, producing 408hp. The configuration of the new V8 engine is unique too. It is the first engine in the world to locate twin-turbochargers and a catalytic converter within the vee of the engine.

The V8-engined car is joined by the 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged six-cylinder petrol-engined X6 xDrive35i producing 306hp.

The X6 will also offer two turbocharged diesel-powered derivatives. The BMW X6 xDrive30d is powered by a single-turbocharged six-cylinder diesel engine featuring third-generation common-rail fuel injection and producing 235hp. The BMW X6 xDrive35d uses an award-winning twin-turbocharged six-cylinder diesel engine to produce 286hp.

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From March, all BMW 1 Series, 3 Series and X3 models receive floor mats and front seat ISOFIX child seat fixings as standard.

Purchasers of BMW 3 Series Saloon and Touring models now also benefit from navigation and visibility value-added packages. Media Package Business offers customers Business navigation (complete with map and arrow view), Bluetooth mobile telephone connectivity and BMWs ConnectedDrive Assist and Online for a package price of 1,645 (2,115 on ES). This represents a significant saving of up to 635 compared to the individual option pricing.

Media Package Professional upgrades Business navigation with Professional navigation (complete with its widescreen format and perspective map view), and adds Voice Control, all for a package price of 1,935 (2,405 on ES), saving up to 745.

BMW 3 Series Saloon and Touring customers can also specify the Visibility Package. Ideal for motoring in the dark winter months, the package contains Adaptive Xenon headlights, Headlight washers, Rain sensor with automatic headlight activation and BMWs innovative High-beam assistant. Priced from 605, this package saves the customer up to 270 compared to ordering the individual options.

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Finally, prospective owners of 1 Series cars now have a significantly wider colour choice. Jet Black, Crimson Red, Monaco Blue metallic, Bluewater metallic, and Sparkling Graphite metallic are being introduced on Convertible models at its launch. Bluewater metallic will also be available on 1 Series Coup, 3 and 5-door Hatch models, with Tahiti Green metallic also available on the Hatch.

Source: BMW AG
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OMG!!!! i can't belive this!
does this mean that the e90 facelit will not be out sept '08?!?!?!
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OMG!!!! i can't belive this!
does this mean that the e90 facelit will not be out sept '08?!?!?!
now the introduction date is only pure speculations...
in the past BMW was introducing his new model in Frankfurt/Paris and in Geneva. Now they introduce it as well in Detroit and in Tokyo so... it became more and more difficult to give a correct date.
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