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      03-19-2013, 12:02 PM   #23
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but they also do not really have a speed limit and stupid speed bumps in Germany and they all drive like friggin lunatics too!

here the driving is much more controlled/restricted to the speeds etc we can do! i know that doesnt stop some people though

people have their opinions on stretch! most people who run stretched wheels are more focused on visual aesthetics and those who dont like the idea are probably more performance minded!

having been to many shows, if you are running a decked car....you are definitely most likely running a stretch on your rubber! it just doesn't look right without! but if your car is so low you are also less likely to drive like a looney and a little more carefully anyways!

running a little stretch is fine unless you plan on drifting round corners etc! plus its done for show seasons before the winters come back on!
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...running a little stretch is fine unless you plan on drifting round corners etc!
How do you define "fine", by personal opinion or industry standard? There could be a huge difference in safety margins.

What is the benchmark standard by which 'stretched' users define what is acceptable?

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How do you define "fine", by personal opinion or industry standard? There could be a huge difference in safety margins.

What is the benchmark standard by which 'stretched' users define what is acceptable?

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most of this largely depends on tyre brands too! i run a 265 profile on a 9.5J rear right now which is what is recommended and it looks slightly stretched! as thats how the Falkens are made!
putting another brand of tyre on the car may fit it perfectly!

it is based on personal opinion as there are a wealth of people running silly stretched tyres and never having a problem! be mindful that when you are running a stretch you also need to drive a little more carefully and not as you would on standard fitments!

as mentioned drifting round corners and driving in excess of the legal speeding limits is not going to do you any favours at all!

just pop to any shows, Players, DC12, Gaydon BMW Festival! any German night at Ace and you will see some crazy wheel and tyre combo's especially from the VAG boys with Rotiforms!

i am sure the people who run stretches know the dangers of doing it...

but think about this

the same issue can be said for every single BMW owner who switches their tyres to non-runflats! they run the risk of blowouts...

but then again! so does every single car on the street that doesnt have/come with run flats!
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most of this largely depends on tyre brands too! i run a 265 profile on a 9.5J rear right now which is what is recommended and it looks slightly stretched! as thats how the Falkens are made!

....the same issue can be said for every single BMW owner who switches their tyres to non-runflats! they run the risk of blowouts...

but then again! so does every single car on the street that doesnt have/come with run flats!
I assume you are running 265/30 R19 on the 9.5" rim. If so, the Falken FK 452 is rated for a 9.5" measuring rim, with 9.0 - 10.0" approved rims. So you are bang in the middle, so technically not stretched at all.

The comparison to the RFT is not really in the same league. If we use a normal tyre to the same load and speed rating, there is no technical difference. The RFT gives additional safety benefits, but the normal tyre is not a compromised fitment. Totally compliant with ETRTO standards

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Young and no family. Drive safely and as nike says, just Do it lol.
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il be running a 215 dude too!

do it! will look awesome! if the cars decked etc it will finish it off nicely!
yeh i dont wana go major stretch i dont fink cause i go alot of miles, but i lil a little

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pokey pokey

try running a 205 on a 9.5 lol.
haha that would be mad. doesnt adrian run stretch on his skyline and drift it and he has no problems??

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Love the analogy :P

OP: Its your car, whatever you think looks best
I guess it is still legal? OR would the MOT boys have something to say about it?
i no the police do get funny about it but dont no if its illegal or not. as for mot i dont have a clue.

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If i was you i would just run a small amount of stretch.
If you go with really stretched tyres I think you need the whole package to pull the stanced look off and you would need big spacers and a big drop to do that.
yeh thats what im worried about its either one or the other isnt it

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I wonder what your insurance company will say if you pang it, they could refuse to pay out
good question they would need to be hot on there cars if u was running a little stretch

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Sorry i just don't get it guys. Surely there's more chances of blowouts and worse handling characteristics, all just for a look?

Too many negatives for me but if your hearts set on it then its all good.

OP: Its illegal in Germany. For a reason!
yeh you are right u have more chance of blow out if hitting a pot hole round a corner for sure mate
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most of this largely depends on tyre brands too! i run a 265 profile on a 9.5J rear right now which is what is recommended and it looks slightly stretched! as thats how the Falkens are made!
putting another brand of tyre on the car may fit it perfectly!

it is based on personal opinion as there are a wealth of people running silly stretched tyres and never having a problem! be mindful that when you are running a stretch you also need to drive a little more carefully and not as you would on standard fitments!

as mentioned drifting round corners and driving in excess of the legal speeding limits is not going to do you any favours at all!

just pop to any shows, Players, DC12, Gaydon BMW Festival! any German night at Ace and you will see some crazy wheel and tyre combo's especially from the VAG boys with Rotiforms!

i am sure the people who run stretches know the dangers of doing it...

but think about this

the same issue can be said for every single BMW owner who switches their tyres to non-runflats! they run the risk of blowouts...

but then again! so does every single car on the street that doesnt have/come with run flats!
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I assume you are running 265/30 R19 on the 9.5" rim. If so, the Falken FK 452 is rated for a 9.5" measuring rim, with 9.0 - 10.0" approved rims. So you are bang in the middle, so technically not stretched at all.

The comparison to the RFT is not really in the same league. If we use a normal tyre to the same load and speed rating, there is no technical difference. The RFT gives additional safety benefits, but the normal tyre is not a compromised fitment. Totally compliant with ETRTO standards

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see lads i no someone who runs a stretch on his skyline and he drifts every roundabout he hits and hes never had a blow out so i wonder how it does affect it....
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This image sums it all up for me;



The only reason I see people give is that it looks good.
I really don't understand that, the majority of people will see that and think exactly the same thing as me. That the tyres don't fit and the wheels are too big.

I don't mean to label you all as chavs but, rightly or wrongly I think that's what the look is most associated with.
There's plenty of tasteful mods that turn the E92 into a truly stunning car, seems a shame to spend so much money on things that make the car handle like sh*t.
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This image sums it all up for me;



The only reason I see people give is that it looks good.
I really don't understand that, the majority of people will see that and think exactly the same thing as me. That the tyres don't fit and the wheels are too big.

I don't mean to label you all as chavs but, rightly or wrongly I think that's what the look is most associated with.
There's plenty of tasteful mods that turn the E92 into a truly stunning car, seems a shame to spend so much money on things that make the car handle like sh*t.
i understand what your saying but stretched tyres are def not seen as of being chav, if you go to most car shows that have cars with massive stretch like ultimate dubs, players, edition 38 there are no way just chavs sat there. i suppose its just the look these days.

chav is not having a clue what your doin and sticking a k&n filter on and thinkin ur adding 10bhp and a massive exhaust hanging out the back...
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most of this largely depends on tyre brands too! i run a 265 profile on a 9.5J rear right now which is what is recommended and it looks slightly stretched! as thats how the Falkens are made!
putting another brand of tyre on the car may fit it perfectly!
That's NOT how they're made. With OEM size tyres on OEM size wheels, they're not stretched. Not at all. So, if they look stretched, it stands to reason they're not wide enough for the wheels.

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just pop to any shows, Players, DC12, Gaydon BMW Festival! any German night at Ace and you will see some crazy wheel and tyre combo's especially from the VAG boys with Rotiforms!
IMO the stretched look is part of the Dub scene. I don't like it, but obviously a lot of the Dub boys do, and that's fine by them.

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i am sure the people who run stretches know the dangers of doing it...

but think about this

the same issue can be said for every single BMW owner who switches their tyres to non-runflats! they run the risk of blowouts...

but then again! so does every single car on the street that doesnt have/come with run flats!
I would say that switching from RFT to non-RFT poses a significantly smaller risk of blowouts than stretching the sidewalls beyond the manufacturers' design limits.

Likewise, every car on the street without RFT is probably running tyres with vertical sidewalls, and you can tell by the number of cars you see every day suffering from blowouts just how common they are...
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Meh, run Toyo's they run narrow and will please doubters from both sides of the fence
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this is a topic thats each to their own!

people runs stretches to get the decked look and not rub plus it sets the car off nicely (to those of us that mod for visuals only)

others dont like the look! thats fair play!

if everyone modded the same and had the same views...the car modding scene would not be a very interesting place now would it

Tyson! you wanna run a stretch, go for it! you have my support bud for visual factors! but just be aware that there could be some possible safety issues that go with it!

as you said you know someone who runs stretch and is fine, all of those who said it could be dangerous etc have they had any personal experience or read any reviews or horror stories?

if so please post links etc as it would be good to see if from your perspective and why you see it as a safety issue! may make us aware of things a little more...
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I assume you are running 265/30 R19 on the 9.5" rim. If so, the Falken FK 452 is rated for a 9.5" measuring rim, with 9.0 - 10.0" approved rims. So you are bang in the middle, so technically not stretched at all.
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That's NOT how they're made. With OEM size tyres on OEM size wheels, they're not stretched. Not at all. So, if they look stretched, it stands to reason they're not wide enough for the wheels.
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Meh, run Toyo's they run narrow and will please doubters from both sides of the fence

- so Highland Pete confirmed that my tyre size is bang on in the middle and perfect for my wheel

- parapaul says thats not how they are made and seems to say that my tyres ARE stretched and not the correct fitment for my wheel....

- Mr Singh pretty much confirms what i said that some tyres do run narrower than other tyres hense giving a slight stretched look even when the tyre is the correct size....

so who is right?
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Stretched? Stanced?? I thought this was a BMW forum but I seem to have stumbled onto the "Vee Dub" forum by mistake!
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Serious Tyre stretching at shows and achieving the best stance is not an easy feat by any means.
I think it looks very impressive at shows and i can appreciate the hard work someone has gone through to bring us that look...BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT!

I am running 10.5" wheels on the back at the moment, and I am running a 265 tyre. A 10.5" wheel would ideally accept a much wider tyre, but I did it to prevent any rubbing. I wanted to run my wheels as flush as possible with my body work, but considering the arch has a lip on the inside which can not be rolled completely you need to run a little stretch to avoid this.

To be honest the stretch could be a lot worse. I do have a 335i so I like to push it occasionally and do like high speed passes, so I did not want to go crazy with the stretch. ALSO when stretching you are decreasing the size of the side wall meaning the tyre will do less of its job of absorbing imperfections in the road.

I could have easily run a 245 on the 10.5" rim and pushed the wheel out another 10mm to achieve a stretch and poke look, but as I do not have coilovers and do not want to deck the car, the poke look would look silly.

There are dangers when stretching tyres. Sme tyres have sidewalls which can handle a stretch in a safe manner... But other wheels like Michelin ps3's have a very square, stiff side wall which would not work and the bead could pop out the rim.

I have seen a few people pop their beads with very stretched tyres... But this can also be down to the rubbish reps people are buying for their quality cars.

The are no certainties, apart from trusting others who have tried and tested various wheel and tyre setups.

Of course it can be dangerous, but if it is done right... You shouldn't have any issues. Ask people on the US side of the forum, there are a lot of tyre experts there... But do your research first because they can get angry with noobs asking the same questions over and over again...
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Stretched? Stanced?? I thought this was a BMW forum but I seem to have stumbled onto the "Vee Dub" forum by mistake!
hahahaha!!!! cheeky, but not one stanced car will have "proper" fitting tyres...its just not the look lol


Josh!! well said mate!!!
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Each to his/her own... Run a stretch at ur own risk but if done within reasonable means, it just looks so much better IMO.

When a few of us have done the stretch which you'll see in a few weeks, it should hopefully demonstrate this can be done and still remain fairly safe.

We all take risks, small or large. This is an endless topic and is subjective, but always good to hear people's thoughts.

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- so Highland Pete confirmed that my tyre size is bang on in the middle and perfect for my wheel

- parapaul says thats not how they are made and seems to say that my tyres ARE stretched and not the correct fitment for my wheel....

- Mr Singh pretty much confirms what i said that some tyres do run narrower than other tyres hense giving a slight stretched look even when the tyre is the correct size....

so who is right?
What I said for the 165/30 R19 on a 9.5" rim is correct and from ETRTO references and Falken Data. It is not a stretched fitment by definition. It is in fact, as I said, on a measurement rim width for that tyre size. A mid range fitment.

As parapaul says in his post, tyres are not made to be stretched. If they comply with ETRTO fitment, by definition they are not stretched... which leads to Mr Singh's comment, some may look stretched. But it is only the tread design and profile, where there is some flexibility within the ETRTO standard for different shoulder dimensions. So we do have a little variation in shoulder dimension among the brands, but tyre section width dimensions are controlled to exacting tolerances (for uniformity) within ISO standards.

So we can have a Falken 542 with slightly narrow shoulder form, also something like a Michelin PSS with a more chunky shoulder profile. We have a different "look" even in the same size on the same rim width.

Clearly stretched tyres are taken to extremes and outside ETRTO, JATMA, and RMA classifications. I'd love to know what the results would be if subjected to the industry standard Tyre Bead Unseating Resistance Test. Then it is clearly not a "subjective opinion" but either it passes the test, or fails. If it fails, then safety is compromised. Collective data within ETRTO, JATMA and RMA defines safety of tyre to rim fitment.

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I agree with the live and let live principle.
I recall similar spats with 'purists' when I bolted aero (real functional stuff) to my S2000

But - I fail to see that such mods as ridiculous ride height and stupidly wrong tyre fitment have anything but a dangerous outcome for safety.

And if you are on the road with me and my family then I hope its safe...
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you just ruined my surprise how did you get a picture of my wheels so quick???

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Hahaha,

Somehow I doubt that, I got a feeling your surprise doesn't end with just wheels.................a few parts me thinks.
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