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      12-09-2005, 10:36 AM   #23
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I thought your post was indeed superfluous since it states something very obvious. There really was no new information to anyone in it.

Nevertheless, all I did was make fun of your post, not of you. You shoulda taken that in your stride. Calling names was simply not called for.

Letīs just leave it at that.
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      12-09-2005, 10:38 AM   #24
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useless to you, perhaps, but it may help someone else in the tire-decision process i went through. either way it doesn't matter. i'm probably just mad my car is currently stuck in a parking lot until the snow begins to melt

note: i've since edited my original reply, for the sake of forum peace and b/c i was out of line.
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I find these posts helpful in evaluating whether I made the right decision buying a second set of wheels/tires for a leased car. prolix, aside from the name calling, thanks for the description of your experience.
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The fact that you thought his post was superfluous and had no new information is irrelevant. He was simply posting his experience with how bad the factory tires are even in a very light amount of snow. His experience maybe relevant to someone else who has not decided to go with snow tires or not. If that information means nothing to you then just read on to something in here that does. But by responding like a smart-ass like you did to him is no better then him calling you a name, so practice what you preach.
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I find these posts helpful in evaluating whether I made the right decision buying a second set of wheels/tires for a leased car. prolix, aside from the name calling, thanks for the description of your experience.
glad it is helpful. really i just don't want anyone to have to deal with the kind of commute i had or to get hurt. driving on these tires is terribly dangerous on snow, not just for us, but for other drivers. i thought maybe people were exaggerating how bad they were, but obviously thats not the case
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      12-09-2005, 11:04 AM   #28
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But by responding like a smart-ass like you did to him is no better then him calling you a name, so practice what you preach.
I do. I attacked (actually I was making fun of, but that seems to have gone under) his post. Not the poster. How could I, I know nothing about him.

The response was a personal attack. I see a difference, donīt you?

Throw dirt at what Iīm saying if you like, Iīll take it without complaining. I just might argue it.

Throw dirt at me personally and itīll make you look immature.

But nevermind, I still believe some posts call to be made fun of, wether someone else finds them usefull or not. The really cool members here will respond with a sense of humour such as "what, me stating the obvious, how could that ever be " Btw, I wasnīt the only one to think so, there were others (though regarding the similar original post).

Then again, I know that sometimes things are said in the heat of the moment that are not meant or not neccessarily typical for the character of the poster. So Iīm not really mad. (after all, were not talking about a Battmahlik response here). But I will call upon it. And the edit is all thatīs needed to settle this.
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One last thing on the subject:
Although I never attack anyone personally on these forums, I tend to draw a lot of fire from my posts anyway. Somehow I manage to be very provocative in my writing. Often the kidding is too well hidden or my opinions may seem arrogant. Something about the way I word things seems to p**s many people off. Way more than I would want or expect them too. it canīt all be the other peoples fault.

So Iīll try too look into how Iīm percieved and try to adjust my writing to a more collegial tone.

(Thatīs my way of saying, maybe my post was a bit out of line as well).
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One last thing on the subject:
Although I never attack anyone personally on these forums, I tend to draw a lot of fire from my posts anyway. Somehow I manage to be very provocative in my writing. Often the kidding is too well hidden or my opinions may seem arrogant. Something about the way I word things seems to p**s many people off. Way more than I would want or expect them too. it canīt all be the other peoples fault.

So Iīll try too look into how Iīm percieved and try to adjust my writing to a more collegial tone.

(Thatīs my way of saying, maybe my post was a bit out of line as well).

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      12-09-2005, 04:48 PM   #31
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Well, I'm reading to determine if a 323i 6MT is a viable Canadian winter alternative to a fwd TSX, for all the drivers in my family: I found out this morning that is can be, but snowtires are a must. My question, however, was if the 325i was up to the task, not the tires.

Five inches of snow fell last night, so I took a 325i AT, with OEM all-season Bridgestone Turanzas (205/55-16) for a test drive along some residential streets, up and down some hills, with lots of stops and starts, and turns everywhere to test traction. The 325's traction control, stability control, considerable weight and weight distribution ment that the car could do whatever I wanted, and would go wherever I pointed it - no problems, no drama, no sawing madly at the steering wheel battling understeer or oversteer around corners, no wildly spinning tires spewing up snow everywhere. I was impressed. I know what most people think of the Turanzas, but getting stranded, or putting the car into a curb was just not going to happen (well, I wasn't going that fast and I had CONTROL). Sure, starting on a hill, the TC would cut back engine power - a lot - but the car would just start moving, and climb.

I would buy stock-size snowtires, especially because I would like as much traction as possible, and wouldn't want to get caught in the middle of an intersection, with on-coming traffic.

On the limitations of hi-po tires: even my 4500lb minivan had snowtires, where it became a tank which didn't like to stop. My Protege with snowtires requires much more "skill" to drive in the snow, and while it's predictable, it is sloppy. Well, I'm glad I now know what works.
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      12-09-2005, 04:53 PM   #32
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I would buy stock-size snowtires, especially because I would like as much traction as possible, and wouldn't want to get caught in the middle of an intersection, with on-coming traffic.

Nice post, gdcwatt, thanks for bringing the thread back to civility.

The quote I kept here is exactly why one needs to be aware of the benefits and limitations of DSC on a Bimmer...the big-ass snows will be great for most use on a 325i.
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      12-09-2005, 04:55 PM   #33
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(after all, were not talking about a Battmahlik response here).

LOL, I remember him!!!!!
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The fact that you thought his post was superfluous and had no new information is irrelevant. He was simply posting his experience with how bad the factory tires are even in a very light amount of snow. His experience maybe relevant to someone else who has not decided to go with snow tires or not. If that information means nothing to you then just read on to something in here that does. But by responding like a smart-ass like you did to him is no better then him calling you a name, so practice what you preach.
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      12-10-2005, 11:27 AM   #36
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Wow! There is what I would call some real passion around this topic. Listen - I only posted originally to inform some of the new e90 drivers that may have missed the fact that the 162's (summer tires) would not be safe in snow and ice. So please, for the hot heads that are all crabby about this post, please move-on to something else and enjoy your day.
Now, for some new info. I have tested the tires and wheels in about 6 inches of snow in the Ohio area and here is my opinion. Using a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being a professional ice skater and 10 being an e90 330xi with xdrive. When I had my 162's on in the condition of snow and ice, I would rate my handling and control at a 1. Now with the winter set on which is listed in the top post using the link. I would rate my handling and control at a 7. I probably could score it an 8 if I depressed the dsc one time. There is a lot of power shut-down with dsc completely on. Not a problem, just push the button once.
Now, no fighting out there please! I wanted to add anything I can to help ALL of us avoid accidents this winter. Stay safe in see ya all in the Spring!!
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At the risk of someone arbitrarily deciding whether my post is useless or stupid (it's too bad we all don't know as much as Tierfreund ), I'd like to ask if winters can be fit to sports package rims, or does one have to buy all new wheels? And are the winter tires people are buying run flats?
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At the risk of someone arbitrarily deciding whether my post is useless or stupid (it's too bad we all don't know as much as Tierfreund ), I'd like to ask if winters can be fit to sports package rims, or does one have to buy all new wheels? And are the winter tires people are buying run flats?

I have 16" regulars, and I bought 15" alloys from Cina with Non runflat Dunlops. They handle great in cold and snow, and a little squishy and vague over 32 F.
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