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      04-13-2013, 04:19 PM   #1
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      04-13-2013, 04:24 PM   #2
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Ouch...i wonder what went wrong...lol
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      04-13-2013, 04:33 PM   #3
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Completely missed the apex for a start. And with all that white stuff on the edge of the track waaaaaaaay too much speed! Even in normal conditions that was ambitious!
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      04-13-2013, 05:02 PM   #4
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To me it looked like he had some level of TCS enabled because the car started to turn in and then decided it would rather go straight.

I know of a certain someone whom the same thing happened to.
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      04-13-2013, 05:19 PM   #5
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      04-13-2013, 05:20 PM   #6
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Oops. Regardless of the snowy run offs, the wrong line combined with the wrong entry speed meant that was never going to end well!
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That'll always happen

when the entry speed is too high and you try to brake hard and turn at the same time.
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      04-13-2013, 08:31 PM   #8
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Oops. Regardless of the snowy run offs, the wrong line combined with the wrong entry speed meant that was never going to end well!
Maybe on a sunny day the end result wouldn't have been so bad, although the line was still terrible. But with that much snow on the side of the track you have to assume the track will be very slippy and cold. I wonder if this was the first lap lol.
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      04-14-2013, 04:06 AM   #9
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Cant put that down to weather.

The dude was driving like a fringe. Wrong line. Too fast. Understeer. Either balls of steel or just doesn't know how to spell steel.
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      04-14-2013, 05:02 AM   #10
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Probably hadn't got his winter tyres on.
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Even a rather terrible track driver like myself could see most of what was wrong with that. Entry to fast, turn in to early, no concept of what an apex is let alone where. He nearly lost in on the corner before as well.
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      04-14-2013, 06:28 AM   #12
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christ that was a hit, hope they were ok!
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Bad times!

The secondary impact on the other side of the track would have added insult to injury!
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      04-14-2013, 01:30 PM   #14
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Ouch... why oh why. I didn't even go anywhere near 100% when it was in summer when I went.

Don't want anything like that to happen.
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3 Series

The 3 Series and indeed all the BMWs I've driven are predominantly oversteerers.

Come into a corner too hot and the back end with step out and the car will try to spin. M cars have LSDs which makes this behaviour far more progressive and manageable. In regular 3 series the oversteer is less progressive and the car will snap quickly and can be quite a handful to catch.

In this video, the car understeers straight into the Armco.....not typical of a 3Series at all. If you watch the slo-mo you'll see that the wheels aren't turning or only turning slowly. What this video shows is the importance of either knowing the track or of being able to see the apex of a bend. This bend is a double apex.....the 2nd apex is after the crash site. Clearly the entry speed was way too high...however left to its own devices a BMW would either kick out its tail, allowing a skilled driver to powerslide it through or, if the driver wasn't fast enough with opposite lock and enough power, spin and scrub off some speed before tagging a barrier.

The worst thing you can do with a BMW going too fast into a bend is to climb on and hold the brakes.....at that speed the tyres can either turn or brake, but not both, as the video clearly demonstrates.
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ouch....... think we have some budding race drivers on this forum judging by the above comments.
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ouch....... think we have some budding race drivers on this forum judging by the above comments.
Beat me to it!!
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      04-15-2013, 10:02 AM   #18
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What ever happened it's not going to help him now.

Isn't this the corner that gets everyone? I remember a few videos of 100's of people suffering the same fate to varying degrees, seemingly in a row. Not sure how long it was actually filmed over though
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      04-15-2013, 11:01 AM   #19
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What ever happened it's not going to help him now.

Isn't this the corner that gets everyone? I remember a few videos of 100's of people suffering the same fate to varying degrees, seemingly in a row. Not sure how long it was actually filmed over though
Yep, this corner gets everyone, and despite hundreds of videos of people smashing their cars apart on it people still do it.
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      04-15-2013, 11:07 AM   #20
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I agree on the horrible line coming into that turn. The understeer is uncharacteristic of our cars but I don't feel informed enough to claim anything more than that.

Look at his drives side front wheel after he hits the second wall, it has a seizure.
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      04-15-2013, 01:14 PM   #21
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Here are a few examples

a lot of examples actually of how staying off the brakes will get you safely (relatively) through that corner

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      04-15-2013, 03:28 PM   #22
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Ambition out weighed skill in the first video!!

Some very lucky people in the last video....
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