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      04-19-2013, 04:48 PM   #23
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in the end it doesn't matter who it is NO ONE is going to be DD 600+ whp on the street, and you will probably NEVER enjoy 600+ whp on the street as you would 400 - 600 whp as a DD.

People should be looking at efficiency rather than dyno number.

All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
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All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
Now thems fightin words
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All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
Now thems fightin words
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i think it will do 1000whp on ms109 straight
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I'm just going to drop my 3406 cat into my 135 and make 800whp/2500wtq. I haz teh winz
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in the end it doesn't matter who it is NO ONE is going to be DD 600+ whp on the street, and you will probably NEVER enjoy 600+ whp on the street as you would 400 - 600 whp as a DD.

People should be looking at efficiency rather than dyno number.

All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
I can't speak for all of our other single turbo customers, but I certainly enjoy daily driving a 600+whp BMW on the street. Certainly more than I enjoyed driving 400-600whp. Engine sounds better, pulls harder and is far more consistent than running twins pushed to their limits. But that's just me.

I have no doubt that my old ET will be broken eventually. Hopefully by us or by a customer. Seems reasonable since that record was made with 100whp less than we are making now in Captain Insano's car If you break it in your 335is, I'll be the first one to congratulate you!

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All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
you will have to beat me to it !
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I'm sure CaptainInsano is well aware of the potential issues with pushing this much power, he's even stated in another thread "I'd prefer to blow my motor on race gas" so obviously, shiv isn't going behind his back..

Besides how can you know how he feels? How do you know he doesn't want to be the first person to show the community just how much the engine can do before it goes? To each their own, I'm glad that insano is the stand up guy he is, same goes for Tony's brother, two customers that are willing to bite the bullet for more power. I thank you guys!
I wouldn't feel bad. It wouldn't be the first motor I've blown. (that's what she said)
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Terry beat you all to it. He blew his engine at Shift-S3ctor. Unfortunately he did it at low power levels, so we don't really know how much power these engines can take when the tune is good and it blows just from pure power. But I guess we can say Terry was first FWIW.
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I wouldn't feel bad. It wouldn't be the first motor I've blown. (that's what she said)
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Terry beat you all to it. He blew his engine at Shift-S3ctor. Unfortunately he did it at low power levels, so we don't really know how much power these engines can take when the tune is good and it blows just from pure power. But I guess we can say Terry was first FWIW.
Right..... Terry's engine was supposedly damaged by the tranny jumping out of gear and over revving.
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in the end it doesn't matter who it is NO ONE is going to be DD 600+ whp on the street, and you will probably NEVER enjoy 600+ whp on the street as you would 400 - 600 whp as a DD.
Did Renntech tell you that?

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Terry beat you all to it. He blew his engine at Shift-S3ctor. Unfortunately he did it at low power levels, so we don't really know how much power these engines can take when the tune is good and it blows just from pure power. But I guess we can say Terry was first FWIW.
Try revving your engine to 7400 rpm(if you can), and see if it blows even on stock power
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I'm impressed the limits haven't been found yet. 700whp has to be close. What is the weak link? Are the rods forged? Or is it the webbing in the alum block itself?

I'm sure a lot has to do with where peak torque is and how it is ramped up...
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I'm impressed the limits haven't been found yet. 700whp has to be close. What is the weak link? Are the rods forged? Or is it the webbing in the alum block itself?

I'm sure a lot has to do with where peak torque is and how it is ramped up...
i think its the pistons and rings.... and yes the rods are forged
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in the end it doesn't matter who it is NO ONE is going to be DD 600+ whp on the street, and you will probably NEVER enjoy 600+ whp on the street as you would 400 - 600 whp as a DD.

People should be looking at efficiency rather than dyno number.

All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
Actually 600-700 is the street friendly limit from what Ive heard atleast after talking with a tuner that dyno's builds mostly mustang/camaros/turbo cars.

The people that come to him with 900+ say they had more fun when it was 6-700.
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i think it will do 1000whp on ms109 straight
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People should be looking at efficiency rather than dyno number.

All I know is this, Shiv I will break your track ET, and it will be done with less power, and possibly in FULL street trim.
With a DCT?

People should be looking at cost as well as efficiency, since both kits can get you into the same region, power wise.
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Actually 600-700 is the street friendly limit from what Ive heard atleast after talking with a tuner that dyno's builds mostly mustang/camaros/turbo cars.

The people that come to him with 900+ say they had more fun when it was 6-700.
I'd have to agree. Anything over 700WHP is not too streetable unless you have something like a GTR, I would imagine.

I'd be content in the 600WHP range myself with the option of 700WHP when needed.
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Actually 600-700 is the street friendly limit from what Ive heard atleast after talking with a tuner that dyno's builds mostly mustang/camaros/turbo cars.

The people that come to him with 900+ say they had more fun when it was 6-700.
Street friendly provided the correct rear end to hold it down for those with lead feet in order to appreciate the fun, unless fun mean wipe out on occassions. The cars you mentioned, based on what I have seen, dont run around being cheap with 265 suplimented rears with that type of power.

Proper suspension, and tires can only hold to that other than getting taxed on the fuel. The trend around here is power rather than focusing on balance

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With a DCT?

People should be looking at cost as well as efficiency, since both kits can get you into the same region, power wise.
Yes with a DCT
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