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      04-24-2013, 09:13 AM   #23
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I am curious, since the dpf is an EPA requirement making it illegal to remove it if any of the shops you spoke with expressed concern about that?

EPA has zeroed in on tuners attempting to skirt the law. Edge was recently fined $500k by the EPA for this very same thing.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/01...te-filter.html
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Based on what you've posted, shouldn't this concern be directed at the companies, not the individuals? If so, then the point has been made, let's move on.
That was the entire point.

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DAMN EPA!!! Cant wait to have this taken care of
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Another diesel truck tuner that offers dpf delete kits/tunes has this disclaimer. I am not sure if that makes it legal or not. I would think Edge would have stated something similar?

THIS IS A HIGH PERFORMANCE /RACE ONLY PRODUCT. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. This product is not for use on highways. Do not use this Product until you (the “Buyer”) have carefully read this Disclaimer. Be sure to abide by all local, state and federal laws.

http://dpfdeletepipe.com/Disclaimer_DPF.pdf
That is correct. You can remove DFP for racing only.
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That is correct. You can remove DFP for racing only.
I race everywhere I go...I'm good, then.
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      04-24-2013, 01:53 PM   #27
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I race everywhere I go...I'm good, then.
At least you have managed to keep your sense of humor.
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      04-24-2013, 02:00 PM   #28
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Ive just sent them an email to join us and see if the can help us if any.

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I race everywhere I go...I'm good, then.
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Update on the car: Dealership isn't budging on anything, including cost on repairs. Looking at about $4700. I've suggested they replace everything but the DPF, but Nick isn't sure the car will run with the DPF in its current state. Way I see it, the sensors have to be replaced regardless, no matter how I proceed, so getting a quote just for that. Looks like the car is going to have to be garaged until I find another DPF, or I find a shop that's willing to do the DPF delete and coding.
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I race everywhere I go...I'm good, then.
Sorry to change subject but
2014 535D orders will be available late May early June for September delivery. Got email from my SA this morning.
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That is correct. You can remove DFP for racing only.
Not according to the EPA.

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"In addition, while there are different control standards for “off road” vehicles (e.g., construction equipment) because of differences in the types of engines and applications, there is no general “off road” use exemption from the pollution control requirements of the Clean Air Act."

http://www.epa.gov/oecaerth/resource...aa/casper.html


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Not according to the EPA.
Probably so, but I just saw race last weekend with diesel powered Mazda’s smoking like a chimney! I assumed they must have removed DPF and bribe somebody. LOL
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      04-24-2013, 03:33 PM   #34
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Probably so, but I just saw race last weekend with diesel powered Mazda’s smoking like a chimney! I assumed they must have removed DPF and bribe somebody. LOL
I am sure if they decide to register the car, they will have some a problems. The whole "for race use only" was a nice loophole for all those dealers to keep selling parts that didn't meet EPA or any other agency. If you never register your car and drive it on the track only, EPA wouldn't care and you can remove your DPF.
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I think we are beginning to see long term effects of modding these cars. I know when I had the JBD, the car would go into regen much more often. You also have to wonder if they also caused some of the injector problems. I sure enjoyed the car with the JBD,but from now on, I'm leaving it stock.
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      04-25-2013, 12:10 AM   #36
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I think we are beginning to see long term effects of modding these cars. I know when I had the JBD, the car would go into regen much more often. You also have to wonder if they also caused some of the injector problems. I sure enjoyed the car with the JBD,but from now on, I'm leaving it stock.
I ran the JBD on my car for 3 years without issue. I really don't think this has anything to do with the tune.
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I think we are beginning to see long term effects of modding these cars. I know when I had the JBD, the car would go into regen much more often. You also have to wonder if they also caused some of the injector problems. I sure enjoyed the car with the JBD,but from now on, I'm leaving it stock.
Personally, I am still undecided, but I did have an SA just tell me he had a granny driven car with carbon issues that they compared to a car where the owner ran JBD....JBD was spotless.
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With the DPF delete, comes the smoke and smell. I would go back to gas, if I had to put up with that stuff. I really like the car, but even with mods,it's still a 4000 lb family car. I just don't think it's worth the trouble.
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Yep You are right about the smell, but I'm amased how little smoke there are. Almost nothing. Only when you floor it, there are some....
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Btw. Just read the technical training manual that was recently posted in another thread...interesting that EU spec has a backpressure sensor upstream of the DPF, while US does not. Might have clued you in before the meltdown!
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Btw. Just read the technical training manual that was recently posted in another thread...interesting that EU spec has a backpressure sensor upstream of the DPF, while US does not. Might have clued you in before the meltdown!
Car would have gone into limp sooner, which may have prevented a lot of damage...this is true.
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Yep You are right about the smell, but I'm amased how little smoke there are. Almost nothing. Only when you floor it, there are some....
Nielson, your car does not have SCR, correct? My hope is that removing DPF but keeping SCR in place would help to prevent the SOX/NOX smell.
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Nope My car does not have SCR.
I actually just found this nice little video explaining how std. DPF/SCR is working on a US spec. car.
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Word from the enviro side

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I'm not in favor of anyone removing their emissions equipment, including DPF and SCR. (I'm not going to follow actions with words, but I feel the need to make my opinions on this known.)

We removed lead from gasoline (petrol) due to it's health consequences - very clear link to lead poisoning. We want to get rid of the soot due to it's clear links to lung cancer (and developing links to other cancers, and other health problems due to it.) You guys aren't helping.

Further, if you read TDIWyse's threads, I think it's clear that the DPF (and really the SCR, too) aren't causing any major performance problems, given intelligent tuning changes: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760638.

Besides, I like my clean tailpipes, and removing your DPF/SCR is going to cause you to have to clean them all the time.
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