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      09-11-2007, 09:32 AM   #23
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If that had happened I think your light and warning beepers would have come on and you would've known about it? Beemers are built expecting people to forget to check their oil occasionally hence the warning. It is warrantied anyway so why worry? It drives ok? Chill carlossio.
fook the warranty, thats no the point, the engine could have still been compromised, 45k car with a performance engine compromised by BMW themselves is AUTROCIOUS (SP)


Dave at college they only let us re-build 30 yr old metro engines, which didnt have such sumps..

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Carlos, I can understand your annoyance but are you genuinely worried or just annoyed ? I can't tell.

You don't need to worry is what we are trying to say. Be annoyed, yes but do not fear.

For fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering.....
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Carlos, I can understand your annoyance but are you genuinely worried or just annoyed ? I can't tell.

You don't need to worry is what we are trying to say. Be annoyed, yes but do not fear.

For fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering.....
but i use this cars performance to its full potential, and now i feel that potential could have been adversely affected, maybe not right this minute but in the long run, the oil is the engines lifeline its blood. I couldnt run around the block missing a litre of blood without ending up on a deathbed
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Are you keeping the car "in the long run" ?
You have no reason to be sure this has happened but if you are worried consult with BMW UK or call the dealer and ask to speak to the head technician about it, or call another dealer.
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Well ... think it through logically.

If your dipstick level varies both up and down it cannot be the actual gross oil amount fluctuating. Certainly the oil can drop very slowly if you are burning it, or it is leaking. But I have yet to find a car where the oil level increases (blown gasket and oil/water mix excepted)

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Thats a very good point Dave - the oil level is unlikely to increase!

Good heavens, I go out this morning to test drive an M3 and come back to Carlos and his dipstick problems.

According to the owners manual, that I am reading from now... "the quantity of oil between the two dipstick marks is approx 1 litre" (the two marks shown on the pic are min and max). The display on the dash will also show if the pressure is too low (in which case you should stop immediately) or if the level is too low. It will also sound the chime to indicate something is wrong. I don't think you would miss this warning!

To be honest, I would be more worried that they put the correct oil in, if they made that much of a blunder. What grade did they use?
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For fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering.....
Thats a very good quote.
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fook the warranty, thats no the point, the engine could have still been compromised, 45k car with a performance engine compromised by BMW themselves is AUTROCIOUS (SP)


Dave at college they only let us re-build 30 yr old metro engines, which didnt have such sumps..

still annoyed... and want an extended warranty
The only thing atrocious here is your spelling !

Metros/minis are an exception as the engine block is bolted directly above the gearbox and uses suitable oil for both engine and gearbox. You must have noticed that

You are being a bit of a drama Queen here.

No damage was done - except to your sanity. It would take running constantly (minutes) without oil and a subsequent build up in temperatures/friction to cause any long-lasting damage. But even you would have noticed the warning lights and chimes before then.

Stay calm.

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To be honest, I would be more worried that they put the correct oil in, if they made that much of a blunder. What grade did they use?
We almost had him calmed down

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We almost had him calmed down

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Ok, just found the bit in the manual that mentions the type of oil. For diesel engines it should be BMW Longlife-04
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but dave there isnt no oil pressure light, no oil dash light that illuminates when ignition is turned on

so how would you know if there was no light
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Sorry to hear that. Very poor service. However IMO if the oil was dangerously low, the warning light would have come on. And you would have heard the warning come on - it will beep at you and won't stop until you do something. Remember, the warnings are normally set to come on at a point before any harm could be done (to cater for people like my wife who drives a 'maintenance free' Audi). So hopefully all will be fine. However, I'd get something in writing from them about it and what they did after you spotted the problem, so you've got comeback in future if it goes pear shaped.

My advice - change the dealer you use for servicing, and be quite specific with the Service Manager at the new one why you are doing so and say that you hope they can do better if they want your business. Worked for me as they're keen to prove they are better than their competitors. Also info BMW UK on correspondence if there is any.
Carlos, firstly hello, secondly I would say relax mate. See above - have you ever had the low fuel warning light come on? It's not some little symbol buried in amongst all the lights that come on briefly when you start up. It's a ruddy great orange petrol pump symbol with a loud beep that obliterates your trip comp and mileage display, and keeps coming up until you do something. Believe me, the oil warning light would be the same and you would not miss it. And it would go off BEFORE the oil got to a dangerously low level (see my comments above). Like I said, get something in writing and contact BMW UK if you want some additional guarantee - I'm sure they will be happy to give it. But you're under warranty aswell, remember.

Nothing changes that it's poor service, so deal with that but I don't think any damage wil have been done. Anyway, if you get something in writing, then if it has, it's no biggie.

All the best. BTW I'll take the risk on your car if you want - swap for mine - the oil level's been fine since delivery
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My RX8 was 'oil sensitive' you might say. Needed checking on a very regular basis and topping up with the correct oil regularly as the Renesis engine is designed to use a certain amount of oil. The oil warning light came on a couple of times when driving it hard and each time I checked the dipstick there was more than enough oil. All cars have such warning lights and all have a reasonable margin of error.

Pause for breath and consider how you are going to approach BMW to make your complaint about their service. Listen to the advice on here and maybe ask your dad for his considered and measured approach to the matter? If you fly off the handle and make unsubstantiated suggestions and claims, they won't really take you seriously. As you know, you need hard evidence and clear facts. Good luck.
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but i use this cars performance to its full potential, and now i feel that potential could have been adversely affected, maybe not right this minute but in the long run, the oil is the engines lifeline its blood. I couldnt run around the block missing a litre of blood without ending up on a deathbed
A litre is less than a couple of pints. You might feel a bit woosy or pass out, but you wouldn't die.

Whilst there isn't a dedicated oil icon like on the old E46, I would assume that there is still a low level sensor even in the diesels (check with your dealer) that will force an error to be displayed (in iDrive / Check Control) before the oil pressure drops to a dangerous level. I'm ashamed to say that I did see it once on the E46 just before service when I parked on a steep slope, it just flicked on for about 20 seconds as I shut it down. When I checked the dipstick (after levelling the car Dave) it was right on the minimum level. Even though it was about 3 days 'till the next oil change I threw in half a litre for good measure.

Either they have removed this sensor, it is faulty on your car or you are fine Carl.

I wouldn't blow a gasket over it, but would play merry hell with the dealer service staff and ensure that they assure you (in writing) that as a result of the sensing on the car there will be no lasting damage.
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There is a sensor Matt. Haven't you read the manual yet?!
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Need to take note everyone. Dont buy a used 335d coupe with DXB in the plate......

It is FOOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be honest, I am fairly sure that all is 100% with the engine.

I would however file a formal complaint with BMW GB giving full details of the incident. There is a good chance they will give you a couple of hundred quid of your next service. It worked for my wife when her mini cooper was in and out of the dealers all the time with stupid faults that they could not fix.

She also threatened them that she would write a letter to Autoexpress
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Carlos, firstly hello, secondly I would say relax mate. See above - have you ever had the low fuel warning light come on? It's not some little symbol buried in amongst all the lights that come on briefly when you start up. It's a ruddy great orange petrol pump symbol with a loud beep that obliterates your trip comp and mileage display, and keeps coming up until you do something. Believe me, the oil warning light would be the same and you would not miss it. And it would go off BEFORE the oil got to a dangerously low level (see my comments above). Like I said, get something in writing and contact BMW UK if you want some additional guarantee - I'm sure they will be happy to give it. But you're under warranty aswell, remember.

Nothing changes that it's poor service, so deal with that but I don't think any damage wil have been done. Anyway, if you get something in writing, then if it has, it's no biggie.

All the best. BTW I'll take the risk on your car if you want - swap for mine - the oil level's been fine since delivery
Firstly, thankyou to everyone who has commented and made feel slightly more at ease. Still not overly convinced and still unhappy

Put yourself in my shoes/trainers/sandals whatever i was wearing, and i think if your as performance/engine minded as me, You too would have flown off the wall

Oh and Bumps, im not overly keen on the idea of swapping altho im sure your car is just as gorgeous as many e92's:rocks:


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A litre is less than a couple of pints. You might feel a bit woosy or pass out, but you wouldn't die.

Whilst there isn't a dedicated oil icon like on the old E46, I would assume that there is still a low level sensor even in the diesels (check with your dealer) that will force an error to be displayed (in iDrive / Check Control) before the oil pressure drops to a dangerous level. I'm ashamed to say that I did see it once on the E46 just before service when I parked on a steep slope, it just flicked on for about 20 seconds as I shut it down. When I checked the dipstick (after levelling the car Dave) it was right on the minimum level. Even though it was about 3 days 'till the next oil change I threw in half a litre for good measure.

Either they have removed this sensor, it is faulty on your car or you are fine Carl.

I wouldn't blow a gasket over it, but would play merry hell with the dealer service staff and ensure that they assure you (in writing) that as a result of the sensing on the car there will be no lasting damage.
thats my point, it was below the minimum and i drove up a steep hill, so for like a minute or so i could have had no oil pressure and severly reduced the life expectancy of the engine components and turbos
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Carlos,

I think I've sussed it:

"shoes/trainers/sandals"

If you keep switching footwear like that your height relative to the engine and indeed dipstick will be changing thereby affecting the reading. Problem solved
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the 335d as far as im aware has no pressure or level light.

Also i wouldnt exactly spot that when driving up a hill rapidly for a min or so, then pressure may be ok when on level ground so damage could have been done.

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Carlos,

I think I've sussed it:

"shoes/trainers/sandals"

If you keep switching footwear like that your height relative to the engine and indeed dipstick will be changing thereby affecting the reading. Problem solved

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The only thing atrocious here is your spelling !
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and whilst we are on about spelling Oil-loss (sorry mis-spelt....car-loss), does every single post have to have the word 'fooker' in it??

It just comes across like a teenagers yahoo type forum!

And as for checkin the oil every other day??? Why?? If it's not leaking (surely you would know that!) it certainly wont use that much oil unless your doing 1,000 miles a day or something!!

!! Slightly obsessive matey !!

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Carlos it DOES have a light - RTFM or STFU!!!!!
I believe it would make a "binging" sound also as if you'd driven off without your seatbelt on.
Get the reassurances from dealer and BMW uk, if the car is working don't worry - be happy!
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i could have severly reduced the life expectancy of the engine components and turbos
Aren't you gonna map it to about 1,000bhp??? Surely that will reduce the life of such components more?

And what about your poor clutch when your burnin up the tarmac at Santa-Pod??

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Carlos it DOES have a light - RTFM or STFU!!!!!
I believe it would make a "binging" sound also as if you'd driven off without your seatbelt on.
Get the reassurances from dealer and BMW uk, if the car is working don't worry - be happy!
Yes, it good to know that our posts are actually worthwhile!! It would indeed make a chime noise (like it does when you are driving along and pull on the handbrake)!
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