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      09-12-2007, 03:59 AM   #67
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NFS, I mentioned the first part of this yesterday. The manual also says there is approx 1 litre between the min and max marks on the dipstick.


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The difference between max and min is 1 litre. I know this because on the petrol engined cars, when the electronic dipstick reads that the level is below the min the manual instructs you to add 1 litre and the reading then registers max.

If the technician put 1.5 litres of oil in then the oil level would have been below the minimum on the dipstick, by 0.5 litres. However, if the engine had been at any risk at all then you would have seen and heard warnings from the check control system.
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NFS, I mentioned the first part of this yesterday. The manual also says there is approx 1 litre between the min and max marks on the dipstick.
Then why does fandango not understand ????????
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Lets for a moment look at both sides of the story.

If the oil was around the minimum mark after the service, adding 1.5 litres of oil would take it over the maximum mark. This is not good!!

If the oil was less than minimum and there were no warnings/chimes/symbols appearing on dash, then this is also not good. The car should alert if oil level is low.

Either way, if it was my car (which is mine, bought and paid for by me incidentally ) I would be trying to get to the bottom of this.
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Then why does fandango not understand ????????
Because, even after repeated polite requests/suggestions/links, he steadfastly refuses to read the manual. Or even open it and read a section. He is quite simply as thick as mince.

He is quite happy to listen to a tech from the same place that screwed up the oil change, feeding his drama Queen hysteria and hissy fit, while ignoring every one of us - who to a man said "don't worry about any adverse mechanical effects" and pointed out all the warnings and chimes not even he could ignore. Why does he choose this ostrich behaviour ?

If he actually grew up and read the manual he wouldn't ask so many idiotic, STUPID questions. Questions a real engine builder would know all too well. Which you quite clearly are not, Carlos - so stop deluding yourself.

I'm off for a lie down ......

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      09-12-2007, 04:30 AM   #71
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i did read the manwel for the first time last night, only a few pages tho, Thanks Dave for all your help and advice and of course thankyou for all your slating of me
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      09-12-2007, 04:39 AM   #72
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Lets for a moment look at both sides of the story.

If the oil was around the minimum mark after the service, adding 1.5 litres of oil would take it over the maximum mark. This is not good!!

If the oil was less than minimum and there were no warnings/chimes/symbols appearing on dash, then this is also not good. The car should alert if oil level is low.

Either way, if it was my car (which is mine, bought and paid for by me incidentally ) I would be trying to get to the bottom of this.
I prefer to use occams razor or as Scott Adams terms it the 'what is more likely approach'.

Situation 1:

The Fandango car was serviced and the dealer did not refill the oil correctly

AND coincidentally the low oil level engine warning light is defective

AND the audible warning is also defective

AND the dipstick is defective

AND the cars oil level fluctuates decreasing (plausible) and increasing (miraculous) between checks

Situation 2

Carlos has is obsessed with checking his oil, but has a problem following the instryuctions in the manual because he doesn't feel that they are 'correct'.

AND the dealer underfilled the oil by 1.5 litres, which is pretty poor service, but not in any way likely to damage the engine.

If this were a single event in isolation then you could (almost) believe that it was possible for the warnings to fail AND the dealer to simultaneously cock up the refill. However, there are some problems with this:

1. This is not an isolated incident - there are many posts on the forum from Carlos which illustrate a 'problem' with his approach to checking the oil level. As with the 'boy who cried wolf' this reduces his credibility as a witness.

2. The chec control system is part of the MOST fibre optic system. All components - including check control report to one another every time that the vehicle is started up. I don't believe that it is possible for the oil level warning system (a fundamental system that has been fitted to every car for at least the last 20 years) to fail, without an error message being displayed.

In conclusion 'what is more likely' :

1. That Carlos knows more about checking oil levels than BMW, has a car which can mysteriously increase and reduce it's own oil level, a faulty dipstick, a faulty dealer, a faulty oil level warning system, a faulty check control system and faulty MOST sub system.

OR

2. That Carlos is a little bit hung up on oil levels and his dealer didn't brim the oil after service.

I vote for option 2
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      09-12-2007, 05:03 AM   #73
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just checked the othe rlitre bottle, it would seem just over 1.75litres was put in by the technician who came out, this would lead me to believe the oil level on the dipstick was 0.75 litres below the minimum mark!

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I just cannot believe this is still going on!!!
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      09-12-2007, 05:40 AM   #76
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I just cannot believe this is still going on!!!
Fair point, well made. 75 posts now, at least 65 of which are saying the same thing to the same person.....
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well that would be unfair viv


and what im annoyed about is that everyone is like ''your car is ok''

how the hell can you say that..

and if it had happened at another forum member they would be just as distressed.

wait till it happens to someone else
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well that would be unfair viv


and what im annoyed about is that everyone is like ''your car is ok''

how the hell can you say that..

and if it had happened at another forum member they would be just as distressed.

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Carl, you have to try to remember one thing- we are all trying to help you here.

I don't think anyone is 'having a go' at you, but I think the things you say are making it more & more difficult for people to not say what they think.

You're right- anyone would be annoyed if this happened to them, but they would also weigh up the facts & then decide what to do for themselves, without going over the same stuff again & again & again.

Now, just sit down, look at this & close your eyes, ok!



Now, no more talk of your dad's potentially f*cked engine, ok!

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Carl,

stop being a cock.

the engines are more or less bullitt proof, running one a little low on oil for 15 miles is well within the built in safety margins BMW give these little monkeys(335d)

so relax and listen to the majority of people who are taking a more subjective viewpoint, not from yours which is one of annoyance.

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I must admit, I have trouble reading the dipstick - it doesn't seem an exact science, it always looks a bit thin to me and I think maybe it just picked up the oil on its way back out of the chute..... I'd prefer an electronic one but that seems to be referred for i(nbred) owners.

Carlos> Go for the remap if you want to, but make sure BMW are aware of the incident first. Then you have absolute comeback on them to be able to point to this incident.
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and what im annoyed about is that everyone is like ''your car is ok''

how the hell can you say that..
We can say this because it is completely and obviously true .. your car is fine .. get over it.

Relax, do something else, take up a hobby ... I hear that flower arranging is therapeutic, but for the sake of all of us please let go of these crazy delusions that your car will now implode in 12 months time.

It's OK Carlos ... really it is ... you can trust us.

Your car is MUCH more likely to fall apart because of your trips to Santa Pod and endless ragging about at full throttle
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We can say this because it is completely and obviously true .. your car is fine .. get over it.

Relax, do something else, take up a hobby ... I hear that flower arranging is therapeutic, but for the sake of all of us please let go of these crazy delusions that your car will now implode in 12 months time.

It's OK Carlos ... really it is ... you can trust us.

Your car is MUCH more likely to fall apart because of your trips to Santa Pod and endless ragging about at full throttle
yes and now it will happen so much sooner, because of this oil situation
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yes and now it will happen so much sooner, because of this oil situation
OK - yes Carlos you obtuse little butterfly minded fandango, you are right ... it will.

In 10,000 miles - because of your BMW dealers low oil filling and your 15 mile journey uphill your dad's car will become a 'clown car'.

Smoke will billow from the exhaust, all the doors will fall off and the horn will make a loud 'parping' noise.

Does this make you happy?
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Carl, you have to try to remember one thing- we are all trying to help you here.

I don't think anyone is 'having a go' at you, but I think the things you say are making it more & more difficult for people to not say what they think.

You're right- anyone would be annoyed if this happened to them, but they would also weigh up the facts & then decide what to do for themselves, without going over the same stuff again & again & again.

Now, just sit down, look at this & close your eyes, ok!



Now, no more talk of your dad's potentially f*cked engine, ok!

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Carl,

stop being a cock.

the engines are more or less bullitt proof, running one a little low on oil for 15 miles is well within the built in safety margins BMW give these little monkeys(335d)

so relax and listen to the majority of people who are taking a more subjective viewpoint, not from yours which is one of annoyance.

All my love


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Cheers stevie A.

I will always, have much.. much love for you

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I must admit, I have trouble reading the dipstick - it doesn't seem an exact science, it always looks a bit thin to me and I think maybe it just picked up the oil on its way back out of the chute..... I'd prefer an electronic one but that seems to be referred for i(nbred) owners.

Carlos> Go for the remap if you want to, but make sure BMW are aware of the incident first. Then you have absolute comeback on them to be able to point to this incident.
Paul, i have written a letter which i will send to the dealer today and also send a copy to BMW UK

thanks everyone for the help, it did take a while to drum in....

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Just to stir it up a little more, there have been problems with the low oil level sensor on BMW six cylinder diesels. They were showing low oil when the dipstick was showing full.

The X5 we have at work had its sensor changed under warranty.

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Just to stir it up a little more, there have been problems with the low oil level sensor on BMW six cylinder diesels. They were showing low oil when the dipstick was showing full.

The X5 we have at work had its sensor changed under warranty.

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if that is true, then i would say even if oil pressure had dropped off momentarily them the alarm bells would have not rung obviously


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