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      06-19-2013, 07:42 PM   #45
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Since when is a 3-series a "luxury" car anyway? Bad enough that half of this board thinks their 335i is some kind of racecar. I guess the other half thinks that their 3-series is some kind of exclusive luxury automobile. This thread is indicative of the mindset that has earned BMW drivers the distinction of being some of the biggest douches on the road. Guess what? I probably saw 5 e90 3-series on the way to work today. And I don't even live in a city with any wealth in it. Get over yourselves.

They are sporty, mid-priced cars that are as common as can be.
Agree 100%. It's a nice car, and certainly a premium car, but a luxury car? Uh, not so much. Too small, and there is not much on even a loaded 3-series that you can't get on a KIA Optima these days.

If you paid $62K for a 3-series, BMW's stockholders and the Quandt family thank you, but that still doesn't make it a luxury car.
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When your 3 series has a sticker price of over $62,000 Its luxury.
You paid 62k for a 335is? Overpriced period. C63,GTR,M3 territory
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Agree 100%. It's a nice car, and certainly a premium car, but a luxury car? Uh, not so much. Too small, and there is not much on even a loaded 3-series that you can't get on a KIA Optima these days.
This is true, as BT, sat nav, and other luxury features that were not found in the more mainstream models are all available, even standard. BUT, compare the quality side by side. The feel of the buttons and knobs, the smoothness of the operation, the feedback, etc. These human elements are what luxury car companies lose hair and sleep over to get right, and there are significant differences. Like anything else, with a car, you get what you pay for.

Does the Optima have power/heated/leather seats? Absolutely. But feel the leather. Listen to the motor noise when you move the seat, and feel the feedback of the button when you press that button down. Is it a feedback force that is just right, or is it simply an on/off switch that feels like cheap $.20 trigger you get at Radio Shack? I'm anal about stuff like this, and since I work in an industry where we take a lot of time in the lab to perfect little niggling shit like this, I can appreciate the effort and time that higher-end car makers put into "sensory perfection." It's also why you pay twice as much for a BMW that is smaller than a car like the Optima, sometimes with less features.

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      06-19-2013, 08:20 PM   #48
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it would be really difficult to switch back- by definition we are all car guys/gals because we read bmw forums. the masses don't care about cars. they don't apex every turn they see. they don't care if steering feedback is like wearing 3 condoms at once! the masses drive from point A to point B and get psyched if they get 40 mpg doing 65 and keeping their cars in the green eco zone.

switching to a ford/honda/toyota (unless it's a 'drivers' car or a car that can be heavily modded) will not happen. we spend the extra money because it's important to us.
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      06-19-2013, 09:55 PM   #49
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I would never go back to a non-luxury car from my bmw, i love this car, the way it handles, power etc.. I owned 8 different vehicle in my life and BMW is by far superior, that's my opinion....
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Yea I would as long as the car has a character... WRX, STI, GTI, Golf R, Focus ST, BRZ...
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I don't consider the 335 we own to be "luxury" but it is a "luxury." No, really think the next car will be an M-3, or something along that line. My wife and I really like performance and this cars delivers, and hasn't really been in the shop yet (too much).

If it turns out to be a turd when it gets to 100k miles, its gone and if we can find a nice used low mile m3 that would be my choice, otherwise think I might like to go back to Porsche, how about a nice 997??

Seriously, this car was cheaper than my "luxury" work truck I drive everyday.

Can I go back to a toyota or similar, no.
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      06-19-2013, 11:39 PM   #53
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Non-luxury brands? Sure. Corolla or Camry? Never in a million years.

As long as the car is fun to drive, I would consider it.
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No point, I get my cars used at around 60-90k miles so there is little reason to buy a car I don't like. By the time I buy them they have depreciated to the point where they aren't any more than a GTI.
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No point, I get my cars used at around 60-90k miles so there is little reason to buy a car I don't like. By the time I buy them they have depreciated to the point where they aren't any more than a GTI.
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      06-20-2013, 12:39 AM   #56
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Yes I would. For commuting, gas saving, beater. That doesn't mean I'll get rid of my fun car for it..
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Since when is a 3-series a "luxury" car anyway? Bad enough that half of this board thinks their 335i is some kind of racecar. I guess the other half thinks that their 3-series is some kind of exclusive luxury automobile. This thread is indicative of the mindset that has earned BMW drivers the distinction of being some of the biggest douches on the road. Guess what? I probably saw 5 e90 3-series on the way to work today. And I don't even live in a city with any wealth in it. Get over yourselves.

They are sporty, mid-priced cars that are as common as can be.
You sound very angry over something trivial. Maybe you should seek some professional help?
Yes the 335i is like a street legal racecar but has leather seats
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As soon as I get the chance to do so

I had my E90 for five months now and I have had more trouble with it than my previous E30 and E36 combined. My 1992 318i has 355,000 miles (582,000km) and never left me sit. I had BMW's for the last 10 years and going from the best two cars I ever owned to the worse one I ever owned.

E90's are S#!+

I have one for sale so I can get either a CTS or Malibu!

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I don't think I could go back to a non-luxury brand. Not because of the badge or the status, but because they pay attention to little details and "feel", like someone mentioned already. I don't have much brand loyalty, but I was only shopping for BMW/Merc/Audi/Volvo/Saab(RIP).
To me, the car has to drive well with nice feedback, but also be a nice place to be in. Before I got my current car I considered a new Altima. It drives very nicely, especially with the 3.5 V6. But inside I just didn't feel right. And who in their right mind puts adjustable power seats but with no memory??? The interior just felt cheap and not welcoming. The BMW, even the low 3-series, makes the interior that invites you and keeps you comfortable, and that to me is important in a car I'll be spending 2-3hrs a day in.
Some mentioned here moving up in performance direction, like Porsche GT3 and such. To me the dream move would be more towards RR Phantom Now that's a pleasant interior!
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For me, it's not so much luxury, I want a sedan for practicality and RWD plus something that's really fun to drive. The E90 was in that sweetspot for me at the price I could afford (mine was a loaner for a year).

There's really not much out there as an alternative. The CTS was the closest thing but didn't quite have the same feel. The Chrysler RWD sedans are way too big. Mercedes is more focussed on a cushy ride. There's Infiniti maybe and now Cadillac has the ATS. I'm not big on Lancer and Evo and they're in 3-series range for cost anyhow.

I guess I'd go back to a Camaro or Mustang if I wanted to go cheaper. I just can't stand the lack of visibility in those things now.
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You paid 62k for a 335is? Overpriced period. C63,GTR,M3 territory
Im pretty sure she has not payed 62 000 for it after all she used to work for bmw so she knows all the tricks
But probably the original price on her car was 62 000
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Since when is a 3-series a "luxury" car anyway? Bad enough that half of this board thinks their 335i is some kind of racecar. I guess the other half thinks that their 3-series is some kind of exclusive luxury automobile. This thread is indicative of the mindset that has earned BMW drivers the distinction of being some of the biggest douches on the road. Guess what? I probably saw 5 e90 3-series on the way to work today. And I don't even live in a city with any wealth in it. Get over yourselves.

They are sporty, mid-priced cars that are as common as can be.
I agree with your questioning the luxurity of a 3-series, but call it a mid-priced is over stretching - it's overpriced.
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When your 3 series has a sticker price of over $62,000 Its luxury.
Really? It is called overpriced, Sara. No ifs or buts, there is nothing luxury about dakota leather, and manual sun shades.
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It is about perception. Some mainstreamers look as good and stylish as 3-series.

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