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      07-28-2013, 04:19 PM   #1
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Retrofit CIC and Combox on E92 with standard CD player

**EDIT: Stage 2 photos included in this post and FAQs added.**

STAGE 1
I have retrofitted CIC + combox on my car and after that few members showed interest in retrofitting CIC into the cars which came with standard radio or with CCC.

Jammy contacted me to retrofit CIC into his car (as I was selling a unit in the classified section). I was planning to sell it to somebody who already had CCC so less hassle involved. Jammy was determined that he wanted it, so we planned a day for installation.

After going through the extensive list of parts, checking, cross referencing, he placed the order for the remaining parts.



On the installation day, Jammy was with me at 10:30 am and we started the work. He tried his best to help me which reduced the total time of installation.
I took my time as I wanted a decent job and checked / double checked the things. Jammy had to be patient while I was working on his car. Finally, we were finished by 5:30 pm.
AFAIK, everything worked flawlessly on his car.

CIC installation photos:







In terms of final cost, I am sure Jammy will be able to comment on this.

Stay tuned as stag 2 is coming with combox installation.


STAGE 2
Combox installation photos

Pre-Install



Combox install


Previous version of combox firmware:



Latest version of combox firmware:




6FL



6NF


Messages activated


BMW services


BMW internet


Our beloved forum



BMW live


BMW news under BMW live



BMW panoramio under BMW live


Google street view under BMW live




BMW application under BMW live





I will update the photos of 6NR later.


FAQs here.

1- Why should I fit combox?

There are multiple reasons to have one. To start with, it gives you the ability to listen to your music just via standard apple cable (6FL).
It also gives you the album art.
It gives you ability to have internet on your car.
You can stream your music via bluetooth.
You can have BMW applications (6NR). Examples are face book, tweeter and some other applications.
You can listen to internet radio. You'll need to tether the data packet / internet through your network provider.

2- What should I choose? 6FL, 6NF, 6NR?

With combox you will get 6NF automatically (ability to stream the music) with coding.

For 6FL, you will need to buy additional USB fakra cable (£50) and USB + aux in socket if you do not have one already fitted on your car.
And coding for it.

For 6NR application, it can work on 6FL usb hub and additional coding required with correct software on your CIC. If your CIC has a latest software, then it requires FSC code insertion by the dealer.

For 6NR video, You will need to buy additional USB fakra cable, and USB + aux in (switchable b.w audio / video), Y cable which can support audio and video), Video signals cable, Aux signals carrier cable.

6FL + 6NF is must with this retrofit. And with coding you can enable the 6NR for bmw application.

However 6NR video capability is for those who want to have the video from your iphone on the CIC screen.

3- What is connected drive?

The BMW Connected App features can be actively used in BMW vehicles equipped with special option code “6NR”, which will be available from March 2011.


BMW ConnectedDrive features innovative services for increased safety, comfort and infotainment in your BMW. For example with BMW Connected, the revolution of in-car infotainment.

Experience the possibilities of using a BMW certified iPhone application in the vehicle without any restrictions in operating comfort. Individual functions are controlled intuitively using the iDrive system of your BMW.

The BMW Connected App provides a new, unique way of connecting driver, vehicle and iPhone.
Along with your BMW and the special option feature "Apps", it opens up a completely new world. You simply connect the iPhone to the USB socket or SnapIn adaptor of your BMW and the app functions are available for you to use via the iDrive controller, the display and the car's audio system.
You can also use selected functions outside the vehicle - so you have BMW Connected with you at your fingertips wherever you go.


Functions:

Web radio (usage possible while the iPhone is connected to the vehicle and also outside of the vehicle):
Experience the fascination of being able to receive and listen to countless internet radio stations from all over the world. Different search functions such as by genre, country or top stations make it easy to find your favourites.

Twitter / Facebook (usage possible only while the iPhone is connected to the vehicle):
The latest status updates from the community are displayed in the vehicle. In this way you stay networked all the time, wherever you happen to be. What is more, you can send pre-defined texts relating to current vehicle information during travel.


The technical requirements for using BMW Connected in a BMW are as follows:
Navigation system professional with integrated Bluetooth mobile phone preparation, USB interface and the special option “Apps” (6NR), which will be available from 03/2011 for nearly all BMW models.

Limited functionality is possible in the case of insufficient data transfer bandwidth and volume-based bandwidth limitations. Selected functions are based on service provisioning by third-party operators and may not be fully available at all times. Within this context it is necessary to note the specific requirements of these providers.
A broadband connection is required; any costs incurred through this type of connection (e.g. due to roaming) are part of the customer's contract with the network operator. Please note specific national demands and requirements.
For this reason, BMW cannot provide any guarantee for unlimited compatibility and functionality of your mobile device in connection with the vehicle interface.
Additional BMW Connected App functions will be released shortly. Application updates, if available, can be obtained free of additional charge. Extensions may be subject to further charges. Subject to change without notice at any time.
For information on mobile device compatibility and further details, please visit www.bmw.com/connectivity.


4- I have TCU/ Mulf/ Mulf 2/ Mulf high. Can I replace those with combox?


Yes, you can with correct hardware and software.

5- I have BMW assist. Will I be able to retain the BMW assist with this retrofit?

No, your beloved dealer does not allow to transfer your bmw assist account to a different IMEI (of combox).

6- Can I send a link of google maps to my car? Or can I find my car with BMW application?

Unfortunately, not. Since you are using your mobile phone to tether the internet and not via combox IMEI, therefore it is not possible.

7- Can I get it fitted in my car if I do not have bluetooth? I do not have any module in the boot?

Yes, it can be fitted with the correct kit. Though combox will be fitted at the front of the car to save the cost.
So you will have phone + combox options.

8- How do I know if I have a combox or something else?


Check the photos in the first post and it clearly shows you the combox. Check it in your car. And if cannot be bothered to check in your car, then go through the specs of your car and it should clearly states that you have a combox.

9- I already have a combox. Can I retrofit 6FL, and other options?


Yes, you can.
I had a car where the owner bought official 6FL kit (£275) from the dealer and I fitted it.
You do not require that kit as with appropriate software, you can have 6FL just by adding
-usb / aux in socket
-a cable
-coding

10- My car is late 2008- early 2009. I do not have 7 digits postcode search / insertion. Can I retrofit this?


Yes, you can. However you will have to get the firmware on your CIC updated.
If you go to your beloved dealer / indy, they will update it to the latest firmware, which require insertion of FSC code for 6NR. FSC code is not cheap and is in excess of £200.
You will require your CIC updated to specific firmware. You can go through the thread 'coders in UK' or simply ask me.

11- Can you update the maps while you flash my CIC?

Yes, I can provide FSC codes for map update (not for 6NR) and update your maps if your car is already with me.

I hope it helps others.
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      07-28-2013, 04:26 PM   #2
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That second pic

I think I would have collapsed seeing my car like that!

Brave guys, looks like a clean finish though!
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      07-28-2013, 05:22 PM   #3
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That's a great job there Sam

Thankfully my CIC was not as difficult

I bet Jammy is cuffed to bits.

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      07-28-2013, 05:30 PM   #4
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      07-28-2013, 05:37 PM   #5
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Very nice job!
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      07-29-2013, 12:44 AM   #6
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Excellent retrofit, scary second picture, that's a brown corduroy job

Am in awe at Sam's skills

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      07-29-2013, 03:27 AM   #7
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Cheers guys for the comments.
Will update it when combox is in.
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      07-29-2013, 05:18 AM   #9
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Good work! When i bought my car i wasnt bothered about idrive because i didnt like the interface on my parents 5 and 7 series. Infact i was actually looking for a car without it because i found the interface so annoying. But looking at the controller it looks like that could be a big improvement. Can anyone comment if the newer version ia actually easy to use?

Maybe jammy can say how much the extra parts cost in total. Have seen the systems on ebay a few times but was never really bothered before now.
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Monumental install makkan and not for the faint hearted, I've seen this done where I work and to be honest I am I awe of the work that goes I to carrying out these retro fits.
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Good work! When i bought my car i wasnt bothered about idrive because i didnt like the interface on my parents 5 and 7 series. Infact i was actually looking for a car without it because i found the interface so annoying. But looking at the controller it looks like that could be a big improvement. Can anyone comment if the newer version ia actually easy to use?

Maybe jammy can say how much the extra parts cost in total. Have seen the systems on ebay a few times but was never really bothered before now.
The CIC and CCC are chalk & cheese. The old CCC is a proper pain in the arse but the new version is much, much better. Graphics on the latest versions are really good too.
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      07-29-2013, 06:18 AM   #12
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holy shitballs! I need this in my life. well done Sam thats awesome
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Yes, Sam did a fantastic job !

I've been wanting to do this since I got the car but was more concerned about the installer - who are you going to trust to take apart your pride & joy!? I've met Sam a couple of times for coding issues, so know 1st hand the guy is the retrofit master!

So when this opportunity came along - he was the only person I would let attempt this install.... & he repaid my confidence by completing this ultimate retrofit! Friends that have seen it, think its a factory install!!

The CIC is fully coded to my car - so I have all the car info/settings:



I haven't been able to up load music yet - not had time, but I've played with nearly everything else!

It was a long day but not that I cared as it was worth it!

With regards to the cost - you have:

CIC, screen, controller + install = speak to Sam
All the other parts needed will cost around £400, depending how good you are at finding a bargain!

Would I recommend this install...... HELL YEAH!

I can't wait for the combox install...... then the my car modding is finished!

Cheers Sam

Ps.... after a week since the install.... NOT ONE RATTLE behind the dash!
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Great skills on show there-very impressed!I can seriously see me knocking on your door to upgrade my ccc.
Don't ask for any help though,but I can make a cuppa!
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Very nice. I retrofitted Comand to my previous Merc, but it wasn't as invasive a procedure as this!!

Is the combox parts of a standard CIC install or is it optional? If it's optional, what does it give you over not fitting it?
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With regards to the cost - you have:

CIC, screen, controller + install = speak to Sam
All the other parts needed will cost around £400, depending how good you are at finding a bargain!

I take it then in total i would expect to pay the best part of £1500. Am i about right? I have seen the CIC, screen and controller for sale previously at about £550-£700.

Does the original airbag fit the new dash? I just spent £800 on audio upgrade. Now im wondering if my money would have been better spent on this.

Also, how is the audio compared to base non idrive setup?

Thanks
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Thanks guys for the complements.

Jammy cheers for the detailed feedback.

Billyray911...anytime bud.

dreamonn....BMW started combox on late 2010 cars and its ultimate solution for media.
It is optional and it can give you
- 6FL connecting your ipod / iphone with standard usb cable
- 6NF ability to stream the music over the bluetooth
- 6NR ability to play videos off you iphone / ipod + BMW applications (update Facebook status, tweets, internet radio)
- Bluetooth if you havn't had it.
- BMW internet
- BMW live

imygaf
I think its around £1200 without combox. And around £1600 with combox.
Original airbag fits into the new dashboard.

Most of the CICs which are sold on flebay got something missing. I saw one the other day where seller was claiming that its was mint condition. In reality, one of the connector tab behind the CIC was broken. Furthermore, the pink connector behind the CIC was missing.

Standard HU VS CCC/ CIC

Standard HU (base stereo) 4X15W
CCC/ CIC (base unit) 4X25W

HTH.
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      07-30-2013, 02:37 AM   #18
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Sam hope you're up for doing this for me when my warranty runs out !!
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Sam hope you're up for doing this for me when my warranty runs out !!
Sure Alan, anytime
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Awesome stuff, you've got some skills mate.

Can you do a combox install on a car that has factory fit CIC but no bluetooth or usb apart from the one in the glovebox?
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Awesome stuff, you've got some skills mate.

Can you do a combox install on a car that has factory fit CIC but no bluetooth or usb apart from the one in the glovebox?
Yes.
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I have the pro radio with BT in my 2007 currently, am I reading right this could be done for about 1200? so idrive, sat nav (as I have BT that too) and maybe usb input? I have not got a clue all about CIC CCC and all that, in lay terms to me its idrive and sat nav
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