E90Post
 


GT Haus
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > Opinions from people who had both PE and Vanguard?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-30-2013, 12:39 AM   #1
napeHbNYC
Captain
United_States
6
Rep
614
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E90 335 RWD 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NY,NY

iTrader: (6)

Opinions from people who had both PE and Vanguard?

You have probably seen me posting about being not satisfied with the Vanguard exhaust with Charles's DPs and I am on a quest to find what I like. My next choice fell on the PE. Is there anybody who had both and what you stayed with and why? Also, if I get PE do you, guys, think its worth it to make custom flanges and bolt on to the Vanguard midsection or should I get the stock exhaust and sell Vanguard? How do you think would be the sound with Vanguard piping and PE mufflers compared to stock piping. Thank you as always!
__________________
2010 Alpine White E90 335i RWD 6MT M/Premium/Cold
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 01:17 AM   #2
skip2mylou123
Second Lieutenant
3
Rep
269
Posts

 
Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (1)

Sorry, I know this is unrelated. But let me know if you're going to sell the vanguard hahaha
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 07:31 AM   #3
Bimmer 808
MT or bust!
United_States
0
Rep
32
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 335i sedan
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NoVa

iTrader: (0)

what don't you like about the vanguard? the video clips i heard sounded awesome. i have the PE. it sounds good, but tends to burble at idle.

the best sounding exhaust i've ever owned was from UUC on my 97 328i...miss that sound.
__________________
2010 E90 335i - BMW PE, VRSF 7in

previous BMWs: 1991 E36 325i; 1997 E36 328i; 2006 E90 330i
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 08:29 AM   #4
KMEninety335
First Lieutenant
KMEninety335's Avatar
United_States
4
Rep
342
Posts

 
Drives: E90 Monaco Blue 335i xdrive
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Central NJ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmer 808 View Post
what don't you like about the vanguard? the video clips i heard sounded awesome. i have the PE. it sounds good, but tends to burble at idle.

the best sounding exhaust i've ever owned was from UUC on my 97 328i...miss that sound.
you don't like the burble sound?! I love that lol
__________________
2010 E90 335i xdrive | Monaco Blue with Black Interior | All Packages except Sport :/ | Apex EC-7 | Active Autowerke Strut Bar | Roc Euro DCI | Roc Euro Hyperboost DVs | aFe Scoops | BMW Performance Exhaust | BMWCCA member
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 10:14 AM   #5
napeHbNYC
Captain
United_States
6
Rep
614
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E90 335 RWD 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NY,NY

iTrader: (6)

Love the burble but it sounds a bit tamed. Its awesome on cold start but than a bit too tamed. Do you have dps with your PE?
__________________
2010 Alpine White E90 335i RWD 6MT M/Premium/Cold
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 10:14 AM   #6
napeHbNYC
Captain
United_States
6
Rep
614
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E90 335 RWD 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NY,NY

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by skip2mylou123 View Post
Sorry, I know this is unrelated. But let me know if you're going to sell the vanguard hahaha
LOL I will, if I don't chop it to work with PE lol
__________________
2010 Alpine White E90 335i RWD 6MT M/Premium/Cold
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 11:51 AM   #7
Bimmer 808
MT or bust!
United_States
0
Rep
32
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 335i sedan
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NoVa

iTrader: (0)

no DPs but thinking about it. not sure if i want to deal with CEL and passing emissions testing.

the PE sounds best in the high rev range IMO.
__________________
2010 E90 335i - BMW PE, VRSF 7in

previous BMWs: 1991 E36 325i; 1997 E36 328i; 2006 E90 330i
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 12:00 PM   #8
uberbeast21
Captain
uberbeast21's Avatar
United_States
8
Rep
662
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 335i e92 dinan S2
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: santa barbara CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 335i  [0.00]
Send a message via Skype™ to uberbeast21
I want to go with bmw PE and catless DP's im just wondering how loud in person it would be, because I live in cali where they go around like exhaust nazis and ticket you for everything, I want something loud when im on it and decently tamed when im not
__________________
e92 335i l Dinan stage II l VMR V710 l BMW PE l KW V1 l Cusco strut brace l Cyba 4"dry carbon l

Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 01:02 PM   #9
Bimmer 808
MT or bust!
United_States
0
Rep
32
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 335i sedan
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NoVa

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by uberbeast21 View Post
I want to go with bmw PE and catless DP's im just wondering how loud in person it would be, because I live in cali where they go around like exhaust nazis and ticket you for everything, I want something loud when im on it and decently tamed when im not
the PE is pretty tame in the lower range, but can't speak for DPs and PE. at least you can claim that the PE is stock because it comes from the dealer.
__________________
2010 E90 335i - BMW PE, VRSF 7in

previous BMWs: 1991 E36 325i; 1997 E36 328i; 2006 E90 330i
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 01:02 PM   #10
Torgus
Slow.
Torgus's Avatar
United_States
11
Rep
1,018
Posts

 
Drives: E90 & E92 with 487 ftlbs of tq
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 BMW E92  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberbeast21 View Post
I want to go with bmw PE and catless DP's im just wondering how loud in person it would be, because I live in cali where they go around like exhaust nazis and ticket you for everything, I want something loud when im on it and decently tamed when im not
Boost activated cut out?
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 01:19 PM   #11
ChuckD05
NeedsMoarBoost
United_States
11
Rep
514
Posts

 
Drives: 08 135i / 06 e90 325xi
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
just got the PE and with catless downpipes before it warms up there is very obvious rasp... e46 m3esk...

once warm it gets a little less raspy , some may love it, but some will hate it...

I had the rennart exhaust on just before and it didnt have any rasp but stunk like ish with no secondary cats... the PE secondary cats eliminated that completely...

at idle revving it sounds incredible though, and the popping is very nice.. overall i like it a lot but wish it didnt get raspy up top... im not sure resonators would fit with the cats in place, ill have to take measurements... that should make it perfect if i could add 12 inch vibrant res inline
__________________
08 135i 6m - 12.1@120.2 2.0 60ft - JB4/Meth - SOLD
09 335i e92 Mtech - RB FBO
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 01:27 PM   #12
Bimmer 808
MT or bust!
United_States
0
Rep
32
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 335i sedan
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NoVa

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD05 View Post
just got the PE and with catless downpipes before it warms up there is very obvious rasp... e46 m3esk...

once warm it gets a little less raspy , some may love it, but some will hate it...

I had the rennart exhaust on just before and it didnt have any rasp but stunk like ish with no secondary cats... the PE secondary cats eliminated that completely...

at idle revving it sounds incredible though, and the popping is very nice.. overall i like it a lot but wish it didnt get raspy up top... im not sure resonators would fit with the cats in place, ill have to take measurements... that should make it perfect if i could add 12 inch vibrant res inline
raspy is a good way to describe it...
__________________
2010 E90 335i - BMW PE, VRSF 7in

previous BMWs: 1991 E36 325i; 1997 E36 328i; 2006 E90 330i
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 03:19 PM   #13
uberbeast21
Captain
uberbeast21's Avatar
United_States
8
Rep
662
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 335i e92 dinan S2
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: santa barbara CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 335i  [0.00]
Send a message via Skype™ to uberbeast21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torgus View Post
Boost activated cut out?
is this possible? that sounds like it would be awesome
__________________
e92 335i l Dinan stage II l VMR V710 l BMW PE l KW V1 l Cusco strut brace l Cyba 4"dry carbon l

Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 03:23 PM   #14
napeHbNYC
Captain
United_States
6
Rep
614
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E90 335 RWD 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NY,NY

iTrader: (6)

Thank you for the detailed review. Did you mean cats in the stock mid section?
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 03:50 PM   #15
Torgus
Slow.
Torgus's Avatar
United_States
11
Rep
1,018
Posts

 
Drives: E90 & E92 with 487 ftlbs of tq
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 BMW E92  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberbeast21 View Post
is this possible? that sounds like it would be awesome
Yes:


You can have them open based on RPM as well or other triggers. Personally boost is what I would want, or have it trigger via a switch which is triggered after 3/4 throttle.
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 10:14 PM   #16
Dr. G
Brigadier General
Dr. G's Avatar
80
Rep
4,958
Posts

 
Drives: Black e92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Brampton, Ontario

iTrader: (32)

Garage List
e92 BMW 335i  [4.35]
Quote:
Originally Posted by napeHbNYC View Post
You have probably seen me posting about being not satisfied with the Vanguard exhaust with Charles's DPs and I am on a quest to find what I like. My next choice fell on the PE. Is there anybody who had both and what you stayed with and why? Also, if I get PE do you, guys, think its worth it to make custom flanges and bolt on to the Vanguard midsection or should I get the stock exhaust and sell Vanguard? How do you think would be the sound with Vanguard piping and PE mufflers compared to stock piping. Thank you as always!
I went back and forth between the exhausts a couple times. If you don't like the rasp of the catless vanguard switch out the midsection resonators to better ones. If you don't like the note you may like the PE's note better. I ended up sticking with the PE eventually because it just sounded cleaner and more refined. The vanguard sounded boomy and it was just a bunch of noise to me down low, but it sounded amazing when giving full throttle. The PE sounds very refined and engineered no matter where you are in the rpm band and it was less boomy. I spend more time driving normally then I spend going full throttle so based on this I went with the PE.

Just use the stock mids with the PE, there's no point in cutting the Vanguard when you can sell it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by uberbeast21 View Post
I want to go with bmw PE and catless DP's im just wondering how loud in person it would be, because I live in cali where they go around like exhaust nazis and ticket you for everything, I want something loud when im on it and decently tamed when im not
When catless it's pretty loud in the higher rpm's, but it's "decent" in the lower range. You can still kind of tell somethings not stock on the car when catless though. Especially when it's cold and winter up here in Canada when you let off the throttle even just cruising casually coming to a stop at a light the exhaust let's out some pretty serious pops.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD05 View Post
just got the PE and with catless downpipes before it warms up there is very obvious rasp... e46 m3esk...

once warm it gets a little less raspy , some may love it, but some will hate it...

I had the rennart exhaust on just before and it didnt have any rasp but stunk like ish with no secondary cats... the PE secondary cats eliminated that completely...

at idle revving it sounds incredible though, and the popping is very nice.. overall i like it a lot but wish it didnt get raspy up top... im not sure resonators would fit with the cats in place, ill have to take measurements... that should make it perfect if i could add 12 inch vibrant res inline

I added Vibrant resonators into my mids to deal with the nasty rasp and I was able to keep my factory secondaries in place.
My car will be on a lift tommorow and if you want I can snap pics of the placement and email you them, just shoot me a PM if you'd like to see them.
__________________
JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
Appreciate 0
      07-30-2013, 10:59 PM   #17
Marcadelic
Instagram: @Marcadelic
Marcadelic's Avatar
United_States
45
Rep
2,401
Posts

 
Drives: e92 335i
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Orlando/Tampa

iTrader: (3)

Send a message via Skype™ to Marcadelic
vanguard with catless dp's is horrible, the rasp is worse than a muffler delete

pe sounds better either way
__________________
2010 335i FBO | Instagram: Marcadelic
Appreciate 0
      07-31-2013, 12:54 AM   #18
threethirtyfive
Banned
2
Rep
157
Posts

 
Drives: '07 E90 335, '04 R32
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
It's amazing. PE and Catless.

Appreciate 0
      07-31-2013, 09:58 AM   #19
napeHbNYC
Captain
United_States
6
Rep
614
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E90 335 RWD 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NY,NY

iTrader: (6)

Thank you, guys. Vanguard is in no way horrible, it looks awesome and sounds great but not loud and throaty enough for my liking. I am looking to swap it for PE if anybody is interested
Appreciate 0
      07-31-2013, 01:28 PM   #20
threethirtyfive
Banned
2
Rep
157
Posts

 
Drives: '07 E90 335, '04 R32
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Nothing at the moment, I need to get some. Its very nice, good sound but nothing too loud. Doesn't piss off the neighbors and the wife approves. I have not heard someone drive the car but all the input I have gotten so far is all positive.

My last car was an R32 which arguably has one of the better OEM exhaust notes. I get as many compliments on the PE/Catless setup as the R. Now rip 1, 2, 3 with something to bounce the sound off with the windows down and you REALLY hear it

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodist View Post
Sounds pretty good, do you have any driving videos? I am wondering how it would sound being catless and having the PE.
Appreciate 0
      08-01-2013, 04:08 PM   #21
E90Company
Major General
E90Company's Avatar
No_Country
72
Rep
6,137
Posts

 
Drives: Car
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (2)

OP, since you have an E90 your OEM exhaust has a resonator, while E92's do not. When you buy the E90 PE it comes with a small x pipe section that replaces the resonator, in order to keep the sound consistent with the E92's (also costs more because of this.) What I would reccomend you doing is ordering the E92 PE so you can keep this OEM resonator, save some money, and keep the rasp down when you add CDP's. I've heard this setup in person and it sounds just like that video above, but without the rasp.
Appreciate 0
      08-01-2013, 04:37 PM   #22
Dr. G
Brigadier General
Dr. G's Avatar
80
Rep
4,958
Posts

 
Drives: Black e92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Brampton, Ontario

iTrader: (32)

Garage List
e92 BMW 335i  [4.35]
You need to add resonators with the catless PE, you get all the sound without the rasp.

I haven't heard the method mentioned above with the OE resonators, but it sounds like a decent plan as well if you don't want to weld in the vibrant resonators.
__________________
JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:33 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST