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      08-19-2013, 12:01 AM   #1
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What do we think about TCKline Kits

Hey everyone,

I've been thinking its time for me to finally get new suspension. I've been following a lot of threads here for the past years in regards of suspension components.

What do we think about the TCKline True Match coilover system? I thought I'd ask the collective first before I throw money at it..



http://www.tcklineracing.com/webdocs.../Details16.cfm

I am digging the fact that is Koni shocks which are well known quality components and that its a complete kit including camber/caster plates.

Here are the current suspension mods in my car:

1. M3 front control arms and tension rods
2. M3 strut bar
3. M3 rear subframe bushings
4. O.S. Giken TCD LSD
5. Delrin Differential bushings

As a side question: what spring rate should I go with for a car that sits in the garage 5 days out of the week and on the 6th day it's either on the track or goes to get groceries.

Thanks in advance!
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Heard good thing about them. read a couple reviews on 1addicts and m3forums. IMO kinda expensive, might as well get KW V3 or AST

higher spring rates=stiffer ride=better handling.

if its not daily driven then i guess higher spring rates will be better suited for you.
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ill let you know in 2 weeks; I ordered the tc kline sa true match last week.
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Those are an excellent, respected kit. I'd buy those over kw's in a heartbeat. I am running ast's with 336/672 rates and could have even gone a touch higher in front with my dampers.

You could do 400/700 easily for street/track.
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Heard good thing about them. read a couple reviews on 1addicts and m3forums. IMO kinda expensive, might as well get KW V3 or AST

higher spring rates=stiffer ride=better handling.

if its not daily driven then i guess higher spring rates will be better suited for you.
The kit includes camber+caster plates in the box. The value is actually pretty good. KW V3? Have you seen all the bent shocks from KW?
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Heard good thing about them. read a couple reviews on 1addicts and m3forums. IMO kinda expensive, might as well get KW V3 or AST

higher spring rates=stiffer ride=better handling.

if its not daily driven then i guess higher spring rates will be better suited for you.
I would argue it comes down to personal preference. If you told that to TC himself he would chuckle because he runs 350/600 on his M3 and pretty much owns everything on the track.

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The kit includes camber+caster plates in the box. The value is actually pretty good. KW V3? Have you seen all the bent shocks from KW?
I would steer away from KW but yes, TC's kits are always quality built products. Highly recommended. Do I think there are other quality options, yes, but you can never go wrong with products from TC.

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I have been running my DA tckline with 400/600 spring rates on the super stuff damper settings and the car feels great! I have similar suspension upgrades as well and ground control race camber plates. Best suspension I have ever installed. I had KW V1's and OEM sport suspension. Another option to check out are the ohlins. I had those on my Old Audi S4, that's another high quality suspension as well.
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The kit includes camber+caster plates in the box. The value is actually pretty good. KW V3? Have you seen all the bent shocks from KW?
well technically speaking, BC come with camber plates for half the price.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...KONI-Coilovers

Not all coilovers are indestructible.

Softer spring rates will give a slight body roll, which is great to know what the car is going to do in the middle of a turn. Agree, that its all about personal preference.

Ohlins/AST is probably the highest quality kit you could get. Both aimed for track use and road use.
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As an ast owner i'd say they are entry level prosumer coils. A very good value for the price point. But not the best out there for road/track.

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That is an amazing price esp including camber plates. I wish the Xi version was as cheap.
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Ground Control is another option if you want a Koni based suspension. Their street/school kit is $200 more than TCK and includes their camber plates and M3 rear camber arms.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/...hp/II=903/CA=6
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Ground Control is another option if you want a Koni based suspension. Their street/school kit is $200 more than TCK and includes their camber plates and M3 rear camber arms.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/...hp/II=903/CA=6
Thanks for the heads up. I have been looking at those as well.

Unfortunately, the camber plates offered by GC are horrible. All of my fellow AutoX and track guys who have those hate them because they can't use the full range of the adjustability due to the shock shaft hitting the strut tower opening. They also clank and rattle.
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Hmm, it looks like the Koni rear shocks cannot be adjusted unless you remove them from the car. That's a big negative in my opinion.

Do the AST's and the Ohlin's allow for adjustment without removal of the shock?
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Thanks for the heads up. I have been looking at those as well.

Unfortunately, the camber plates offered by GC are horrible. All of my fellow AutoX and track guys who have those hate them because they can't use the full range of the adjustability due to the shock shaft hitting the strut tower opening. They also clank and rattle.
TCKR plates don't have that problem and TC designed the plates so you can use more of the adjustments than most.

In addition, TCKR's coilovers have specially valved front and rear dampers with more aggressive damping and shorter body for more compression travel.
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Hmm, it looks like the Koni rear shocks cannot be adjusted unless you remove them from the car. That's a big negative in my opinion.

Do the AST's and the Ohlin's allow for adjustment without removal of the shock?
They do (ast and ohlins)

The white konis are externally adjustable though...
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The white konis are externally adjustable though...
This is what I thought.

edit: from the above link:

(2) 8241-1275SPTC - TC Kline/Koni Rear externally adjustable shocks
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Also, the GC kit linked by cvc above use externally adjustable M3 style rear shocks.
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After further research, it seems that only (rear) single adjustable Koni shocks need to be taken off the car and adjusted. The dual adjustable ones are externally adjustable. Therefore, all coilover systems based on Koni dual adjustable shocks are externally adjustable.
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The single adjustable white konis are externally adjustable too.
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[quote=vasillalov;14527468]Thanks for the heads up. I have been looking at those as well.

Unfortunately, the camber plates offered by GC are horrible. All of my fellow AutoX and track guys who have those hate them because they can't use the full range of the adjustability due to the shock shaft hitting the strut tower opening. They also clank and rattle.[/QUOTE]

Mine don't.
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The single adjustable white konis are externally adjustable too.
Aaah! So it's the white Koni's that do not need to be taken off for adjustments. The Koni Sports (yellow) need to come off to make that adjustment.
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For non-M, yes. The yellow konis for M are also top-adjust.
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